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acid2000
11-04-2008, 10:21 PM
ok my log book (or v5 as its now called) has no discripton of it been a nova or a sports or anything!. How do i go about getting it changed to say its a nova or a sports ect so that if i get pulled over im covered?

:cheers:

Big Birds Car
11-04-2008, 10:22 PM
What does it say your vehicle is?

acid2000
11-04-2008, 10:26 PM
it says its a vw beetle, i meant that it has no other discripton other than this

bobbybrown
11-04-2008, 10:30 PM
You should be ok with that Acid, as it is a VW Beetle, just a rebodied one :wink:

I know of people with Nova's that are registered as Beetles, and they don't have problems, that includes MOT's and being pulled over by the police.

acid2000
11-04-2008, 10:38 PM
i thought that was the case. but i have noticed that there are some people that have managed to get there log book changed and i was wondering if this was nessasary? what about insurance are they the same? or do you tell then its a nova?

bobbybrown
11-04-2008, 10:40 PM
You would have to tell the insurance company that its a Nova, as if you tell them its a beetle they would expect it to be, a beetle, body wise too.

You don't want them picking flies if you ever need to claim.

It can be changed, but the way I've heard it is that it 'could' cause problems, as the DVLA aren't the most helpful people anyway, you need to know exactly what YOU want, and what YOU need, then you may have a chance of them actually doing their job properly.

Big Birds Car
11-04-2008, 10:45 PM
I have just lost the reply I typed after submitting it it just went elsewhere but basically have a word with Dave and Alex because both of them have changed the details of their cars and should be able to give advise.

The first thing I would do is inform them that you have changed the engine and then sometime later tell them you have rebodied the beetle with a Nova shell. DON'T do it all at the sametime whatever you do.

If you don't tell them you should tell your insurance company that it is basically a beetle with a Nova body and a Pinto engine, they are fairly clued up and will get you covered.

bobbybrown
11-04-2008, 10:47 PM
That will be my fault BBC, I think I moved the post to the registration section while you were posting! :oops2: :sorry:

My apologies.

adrenaline
11-04-2008, 11:43 PM
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/consultations/summ_190404.pdf

Suggests that it is/will not in the future be that easy...........you could/would end up with a Q-plate.....or SVA to keep an age related plate.....not necessarily the one you have already.....

Carl

jimcub
13-04-2008, 11:53 AM
Mine went through the MOt as a rebodied beetle, the MOT man was a fan though. Will not change mine until it I have too.

MicksRedNova
13-04-2008, 12:56 PM
I sent my V5 of to DVLA a couple of years ago to change the engine number - and included changes to colour (blue to red) and to body (from Saloon to Coupe) and number of seats (4 to 2).

V5 came back with all those changes made. Make still says Volkswagen and model is blank.

Haven't tried MOT yet - but hope it goes OK.

Mick

Alzax3
13-04-2008, 01:54 PM
You should all be OK at the moment, it's possible rule changes in the future that we're all considering. Knowing so many of you were in the same boat is why I thought I'd test the water and get mine changed last year.
I think the best thing to do is get an MOT or two under your belt with whatever document description you've got (The MOT man can't change what appears on the document, his screen won't let him) THEN go and see the DVLA with photographic evidence that your car's been on the road for however long, the documents don't describe it acurately and YOU think it would be a good idea if the wording was altered to be more appropriate. (That worked fine for me.......)

ant
18-04-2008, 01:05 PM
Hi

Just spoke to the DVLA and my v5 is from 1981, it described it as PLG, Volkswagen, 2 axle rigid body coupe. Apparently i need to send the document to them so they can issue another, but i think my chassis number will make it tax exempt.

its 1191005559

any thoughts

cheers

ant

ant
18-04-2008, 01:13 PM
just checked my chassis number on line and says its 1969 so should be tax free, what do i need to do with the dvla as i spoke to them today and they were really useless.

cheers

ant

bobbybrown
18-04-2008, 02:47 PM
You will need to tell them what to do Ant, as I said before the DVLA are useless if you don't literally do their job for them.

The log book should come back as tax exempt anyway as the chassis number is on the V5, although don't quote me on that.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to clear it up.

Alzax3
18-04-2008, 06:01 PM
If I remember rightly, your car is W reg, same as my Yellow Peril, built and registered when you could still get a new reg number when you finished building your kit. Sending your document off to get the name and address changed is unlikely to get the car altered from W reg to tax exempt. (no reason why it should, really?)

Once you've got the document back saying the car is yours, you could take the it off to the DVLA office in Truro (it's got to be in person, the phone just doesn't cut it!) and force the issue in whatever direction you want: changing the details to read Nova, trying to get it tax exempted - whatever. Just make sure YOU know exactly what you want and have a fair idea of what is possible. (For the tax exempt bit, you will need photos of the car from several angles, stupid but part of the process) Just don't force the people behind the bullet-proof counter to have to think for themselves, that way leads to bad outcomes.......... :rofl:

ant
18-04-2008, 06:30 PM
Hi Thanks for that i remember the conversation, i spoke to vw in germany and i checked the floor pan and its 1969, so fingers crossed will go on monday, work allowing that is as im studio bound at the moment because of the cornish music awards.

cheers

ant

adrenaline
18-04-2008, 08:22 PM
just checked my chassis number on line and says its 1969 so should be tax free, what do i need to do with the dvla as i spoke to them today and they were really useless.

cheers

ant

where do you check online....??

Alzax3
19-04-2008, 07:35 AM
You don't seriously expect a government organisation to have a useful and informative website, do you? :shock: :tongue: But if you mean about checking the chassis numbers, just Google VW chassis numbers - this is the first site that comes out:
http://www.abvwc.org.uk/vw_vin.htm but there's several others.......

ant
19-04-2008, 09:59 AM
Hi

Thats the site i used, i spoke to vw and when i said the chassis number a very german fellow said hhmmm das ist very old (really) and said that it should be late 60's he thought, although he said i should email wolfsberg to make sure, he gave me an email address but it came straight back, thats when i did the online check.

Hope the DVLA will be cool, as i really do not want to pay road tax, so hands off my Brown
Ant

adrenaline
19-04-2008, 07:08 PM
Hi

Thats the site i used, i spoke to vw and when i said the chassis number a very german fellow said hhmmm das ist very old (really) ...........................................so hands off my Brown
Ant

...don't you mean...'das is sehr alt'.....??

....and hands off your 'brown' what.....??

Carl

bushboy
20-04-2008, 07:02 AM
Think he had a typo....Mr Brown.....current wanker running the UK

bushboy

ant
20-04-2008, 07:11 PM
Yeah that was Mr Brown, he's in charge, apparently!

Ant

jim73vw
20-04-2008, 09:49 PM
My log book says VW beetle.

I took it for MOT to a sympathetic MOT station that specialise in older/unusual cars. They even took pictures of the car before we started the MOT for their picture boards, and helped push it on and off the brake rollers (slipping clutch !)

I had been down to see them pre MOT to book it in (get name and reg no in book if no current MOT), and showed them a picture so they knew what to expect. I explained it was similar to my old beach buggy, basically a rebodied beetle.

When I took it down I made sure she was neat and tidy, and carpet was covering the welded tunnel areas (handbrake/gearstick) so she looked 'stock'

They tested her as a beetle and she passed fine. There was no query re the description. I hadn't yet had the log book back from DVLA for the colour change, so they simply asked what colour I would like on the MOT !

I think the key is finding a sympathetic MOT man !

Once I have a couple of MOT certs I may contemplate changing the description, or if legislation tightens up I may try - I think then the history of previous MOTs will assist !

jimcub
21-04-2008, 06:49 AM
I think to err on the side of safety is right Jim, get it legal and get something water tight before you venture further. Down the line it may be legislation that makes us move, but hard evidence is better than nothing.

adrenaline
21-04-2008, 07:54 AM
Yeah that was Mr Brown, he's in charge, apparently!

Ant

...getting an MOT on your Nova when the V5 clearly says 'Beetle' I can believe.....but 'Brown' in charge......that is unbelievable....... :laugh: :laugh:

adrenaline
21-04-2008, 08:00 AM
I think to err on the side of safety is right Jim, get it legal and get something water tight before you venture further. Down the line it may be legislation that makes us move, but hard evidence is better than nothing.

yes, that is the way to go as you can then show that ther car has been used on the road in its current form and MOTed as such......there seem to be so many cars incorrectly registered that the only way to sort the situation would be to have an amnesty....such as the knife and gun ones that they have occasionally.....to allow kit car owners to sort the problem out......I do fear what might happen should a kit car owner/driver cause a multiple/death type accident....surely the danger here is that the insurers may use the incorrect registration status of the car as a way to avoid settling the claim....the very small print of your policy says that the car shou;d be correctly registered, maintained, MOTed etc....afterall I know of no insurance company that looks for reasons 'to' settle a claim....just a thought...... :shock:

Spacenut
21-04-2008, 08:50 AM
The local VRO need to see proof that the car was manufactured and/or first used in the year that you would like the registration for. So if you have an e-mail from Wolfsburg saying "this VW Beetle chassis was manufactured in 1969", and you can satisfy the VRO that that is the chassis on which your car is based (the old V5 should suffice in your case), then there are grounds for re-issuing the V5 with a historic registration.

I re-registered my Barracuda (which was a '71 model year, but had been imported into the UK in 1978 and therefore had a "T" plate) in this manner, but the VRO were not happy with all the photographic documentation I had (it should have been easy, as the '71 had a unique "one-year-only" grille treatment), they wanted a latter from a recognised owners club stating as such. As my friend was the marketing director of the MMA at the time I got a letter from him, and with this evidence the VRO issued a historic registration ("J" plate)

The VRO is bound to resist attempts at making a car tax-exempt for obvious reasons - in fact when I first tried to tax the Green Machine (after 14 years off the road), I was told I had to pay because the V5, in spite of stating year of manufacture 1969, did not say "historic" in the taxation class!

Good luck Ant, its a minefield, and there seems to be no one right way to go about it - all the VRO's differ in the way they deal with this type of problem, and if your local office is unhelpful, try another one somewhere else!

Although from what Alex has said you should be OK!

Lauren

21-04-2008, 02:28 PM
there seem to be so many cars incorrectly registered that the only way to sort the situation would be to have an amnesty....such as the knife and gun ones that they have occasionally.....to allow kit car owners to sort the problem out......:


There was an amnesty around the turn of the century.

More reading

http://www.totalkitcar.com/reg_articles.php

adrenaline
21-04-2008, 07:17 PM
Yes I know...but with so many still incorrectly registered seems another is called for......

01-07-2008, 03:12 PM
nova almost ready to put on road,on log book under "make" it says AVANTE, taxation class it says PRIVATE/LIGHT GOODS, put chassis number in,comes up 1969 and its on a Q plate, will it be tax excempt?

Big Birds Car
01-07-2008, 03:26 PM
Short answer is No, not with the description you have just given. The Q plate means that when it was re-registered/originally built the DVLA were not sure of the correct date of manufacture or there were too many different old parts used, ie. different engine, front axle, body, gearbox, chassis etc. and so they in their wisdom gave it a q plate reg so everyone would know.

The fact that you have a Nova with an Avante description also doesn't help.

If you want tax exempt, from what I understand anyway, you would need to get hold of an older beetle of pre 73 use the original engine, chassis, front and rear suspension and say you have rebodied it as a Nova and could they give you the original registration number please and amend the V5 accordingly. Then when that was done say it is tax exempt. If you did this you could sell on the Avante V5 (As a souvenier honest ).

However you are obviously a fair way down the build and nearing getting it on the road so unless you want to delay things and do the above I would suggest to get it on the road and the easiest way would be to get an MOT with the tester using your V5 for the details and get it on the road as an Avante, you will obviously have to pay the road fund tax.

There are other issues to consider when asking for a rebody job such as chassis mods (floor pan drops for example are a chassis mod and therefore may negate the points you would have got if it was un-molested, could even mean an SVA test as well :scared: ) etc. that others can describe better than myself.