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Alzax3
30-09-2008, 07:27 AM
For anyone who hasn't seen it, the Carradine version is on ITV4 tonight at 11 o'clock...........

CyCo
30-09-2008, 07:40 AM
No it's not. At least, not here it isn't. Anyway, I have it on dvd.

8p

Alzax3
30-09-2008, 07:44 AM
Okay - I'll rephrase that:

Anyone living in the UK or elsewhere who can receive Freeview ITV4 has the chance to see Death Race 2000 tonight at 11 o'clock even if they have it on DVD. Happy now? :tongue:

CyCo
30-09-2008, 07:46 AM
Sure, that will work. I happened to watch it just a couple of weeks ago.

8]

bobbybrown
30-09-2008, 08:36 AM
Okay - I'll rephrase that:

Anyone living in the UK or elsewhere who can receive Freeview ITV4 has the chance to see Death Race 2000 tonight at 11 o'clock even if they have it on DVD. Happy now? :tongue:
:laugh:

bushboy
30-09-2008, 10:55 PM
Ah yes but have you seen that they have remade it...absolutely nothing like the original, just uses the name.

bushboy

nbb350
01-10-2008, 01:05 AM
waitaminutenow...there are a FEW more similarities between the old and new Deathrace movies. Both have a masked "hero" named Frankenstein, both have an opponent named Machine Gun Joe and both feature a deadly tv show that the public loves, and both take place in their respective futures. It's kinda like the remake of "The Planet of the Apes"...a modern reimagining - and most viewers of the original will either love it or loathe it! :wink:

personally, i LOVED it! granted...the new one has no nude group massages like in the original... :thumbup:

CyCo
01-10-2008, 03:16 AM
No nudes! Bah!! Won't see it then.

Seriously, I'll go see it, think it's released tomorrow here. I'll see it sometime soon.

nbb350
01-10-2008, 04:56 AM
btw, actually there IS a rear male nudity scene in the movie... :puking: when they book him into prison. good time to go get popcorn! :jerry:

(now, since i used that emoticon, what the heck does "jerry!" mean?!?)

Spacenut
01-10-2008, 07:12 AM
Jerry Springer perhaps?

I wondered about that too :D

OK, for those that missed it last night, I see its on again tonight (UK, ITV4). I'm a bit concerned - I had always assumed that the Frankenstein car was a heavily modified Sterling/derivative with the canopy removed, but the more I saw of it last night the more it looked like a shrunken C3 Corvette - does anyone know for sure?

I assumed Sterling because the movie was ultra low budget and all the other cars are VW - even the in-car scenes in the Frankenstein car have a flat 4 soundtrack. A heavily modified Karmann Ghia (with a pulse jet on top - inspired!) and what looked like at least one Bradley GT with the roof removed (maybe 3). I've no idea what Nero the Zero (or whatever his name was) driving, it looked like an AMX from some angles but I'm guessing some sort of VW Buggy?

I know DR2000 was tongue in cheek at the time, but it hasn't aged well, has it? Its a shame that no serious A-list movie ever used the Nova/Sterling - all we have is DR2000, Cannonball Run 2 (a pale imitation of the first movie) and Condorman... plus the satisfaction of knowing that an Elam Nova canopy may have been used in the first Batman movie. No wonder people are still incredulous when they see the car for the first time :shock:

Lauren

letterman7
01-10-2008, 11:13 AM
I have to admit I've never seen the film, just short pieces here and there. I guess I'll have to find the DVD somewhere, but to answer your question, Lauren, Frankensteins car was a Shala-Vet and one other car, the dinosaur looking thing, was an old Aztec.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b31/letterman7/Random/AztecGT.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b31/letterman7/Random/shala-vet.jpg

I'm not entirely sure about the Aztec, but just gleaning information from discussions I've had with other B-movie lovers!

Phill
01-10-2008, 11:42 AM
I watched some of it last night but fell asleep.

I remember going to see it when it was on cinema release back in the 1970's. Back then the year 2000 seemed a long way off and I used to think by the year 2000 all cars would look like Nova's and cars like those featured in the film. DR2000 was probably a film that helped to fire my enthusiasm for the Nova back then. It was like an adult version of the cartoon series "Wacky Races".

I've never seen condor man but remember all the publicity when it was being made back in the 80's.

Spacenut
01-10-2008, 11:55 AM
Aha - so the Shala-Vet is a Vette shape on a VW chassis? That explains why it looked so small. The car lacked the swoopy lines of the Sterling body which is why I had my doubts - thanks Rick, that clears it up nicely.

Not sure about the FF Aztec, the body lines are too sharp and the truncated tail panel reminded me of the early Bradley - nope, that's not it either (just Googled it).

According to the IMCDB website, it says Franks car is a custom Cimbria SS (definately not the case - Rick's Shala-Vette is clearly the basis of this car)
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x91/euronova/596.jpg
Three cars are custom Mantas (possible)
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x91/euronova/594.jpg
...And the Nero Zero car is a custom FIAT 850 spider (I guess its small enough, but boy does it look different!)
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x91/euronova/738.jpg
Of course, the one car we can all recognise is the one at the end of the movie
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x91/euronova/297.jpg

Apparently all the customisation work was done by Dean Jeffries

According to the Wikipedia entry, DR2000 received more critical acclaim than Rollerball, released the same year. I remember Rollerball being far darker and more violent, but it was a few years ago since I saw it, perhaps I was more impressionable then :D

Lauren

Spacenut
01-10-2008, 12:06 PM
Just been doing more Googling - definately not a Manta Montage or Mirage (the original builders took moulds from an actual McLaren CanAm car, the movie cars are crude in comparison.

Speaking of which, didn't I come across the same type of car in an episode of Quincy ME?

Me? Anorak?

:D

Lauren

letterman7
01-10-2008, 12:47 PM
The Nero Zero looks an awful lot like a Honda 600 with the roof cut off!

CyCo
01-10-2008, 01:55 PM
Not long ago, I found a site which had a photo of Frankenstein's car at a VW car show. Apparently it's meant to be the actual car used in the movie, after a restro. There are a few things that don't quite seem right, the wind screen surround, and the notches on the bottom of the body work between the wheel arches, but other than that, it could be the actual car.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x91/euronova/IMG_1257.jpg

For the life of me, I don't remember the site I found it on. Nor were there any more photos.

letterman7
01-10-2008, 02:48 PM
That photo was posted on a few forums. That show is/was this years Mid America Motorworks show held in May. That car is a replica of the movie car. It is a Shala-Vet; the fender vents are correct (look close at Laurens' movie stills), but the "teeth" aren't even close. I think it was up for sale, too, for some ridiculous amount.

CyCo
01-10-2008, 03:09 PM
Yeah, forgot to mention the teeth are way wrong. So it's just a replica(r) of a car from a b-grade movie done in the '70's. I guess if you were a massive fan...

bushboy
01-10-2008, 10:37 PM
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x91/euronova/596.jpg

jimcub
02-10-2008, 07:39 AM
Dentistry was not the replicas skill it seems from the photos

Alzax3
06-10-2008, 07:09 AM
That exciting fake engine wasn't on the original either.... Liz just found a movie poster online that shows the films' really interesting car as if it had a major part of the plot:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x91/euronova/Talex/death_race_two_thousand_ver2.jpg
Also if you saw that poster, you'd think that Stallone was the hero and it doesn't show Carradine at all........

Alzax3
06-10-2008, 07:16 AM
While she was about it she found a link to all the other main films in which Nova/Sterlings featured:
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Nova ... f%26sa%3DN (http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Nova_model-Sterling.html%3FPHPSESSID%3D7a3...&h=85&w=200&sz=4&hl=en&start=40&usg=__TX5etba1EvetKVs9PRrV5W83-ZM=&tbnid=aFDW3op1Qxt24M:&tbnh=44&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnova%2Bsterling%2Bin%26start%3D20%26g bv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN )
Clicking on the pictures of each car gives you more images from the movies.........

CyCo
06-10-2008, 11:38 AM
You know, I never noticed the engine on the 'replica'. wow!!

That poster is great! They make different movie posters in each major region, sometimes it's even per country.

And that link you posted, comes up 404.

:cry:

letterman7
06-10-2008, 12:24 PM
Hmmm....well, here's the page for the Nova stuff (including a few Sterling and Sebrings - go figure...a Sebring in the Miami Mice series): http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Nova&model=

CyCo
06-10-2008, 02:15 PM
I knew about the Sebring in Miami Vice, think I even brought it up on here somewhere, but not the Stirling in Black Shampoo. That's a newie for me.

Alzax3
06-10-2008, 06:45 PM
The link works when I click on it, but strangely the Miami Vice thumbnail isn't there now :confused1: it was this morning!

Spacenut
06-10-2008, 09:01 PM
While she was about it she found a link to all the other main films in which Nova/Sterlings featured

Any we don't know about?

DR2000
Cannonball Run II
Condorman

What about this much rumoured Gerry Anderson live action show? I've had several people swear blind that a Nova was used. Not the usual types that mistake a Nova for the Adams Probe 15 (Clockwork Orange) or the Quest (Doppelganger/Journey to the far side of the sun/UFO). I've read the Anderson biography twice looking for clues and none the wiser... late '70s is best bet...

Lauren

Phill
06-10-2008, 09:56 PM
I've heard the same story Lauren - but despite all my digging I've never discovered anything more.

CyCo
07-10-2008, 01:53 AM
I just had a quick look around the internet, the show you seem to be talking about was called The Protectors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protectors), right? Read a bit about it, but nothing mentioned about any Nova kit car.

Spacenut
07-10-2008, 07:03 AM
My understanding is that this show never made it on air - Anderson worked on a script for a futuristic cop show in the late '70s, which was rejected at the time, but later went on to become Space Precinct, but that was set very much in space, so I can't see how a Nova might have featured.

One of these days my curiousity will get the better of me and I will join Fanderson and ask someone who might know :D

Trouble is, even though I'm a big fan of Captain Scarlet and UFO, I just feel a bit uncomfortable with the idea of sci-fi fan clubs... altogether a bit too obsessive... not like us at all :whistling:

Lauren

Alzax3
07-10-2008, 08:03 AM
No films we didn't no about as such Lauren, just a feature for the Cimbria in Miami Vice and a Sterling appearing in publicity shots/trailers/deleted scenes for a film 'Black Shampoo' - but not in the actual movie........

nbb350
07-10-2008, 05:54 PM
Trouble is, even though I'm a big fan of Captain Scarlet and UFO, I just feel a bit uncomfortable with the idea of sci-fi fan clubs... altogether a bit too obsessive... not like us at all :whistling:

You're right...it's not like any of us are obsessive enough to know which way the TEETH should face on an obscure kit car from an almost 40 year old B-movie! :whistling: :wink:

thestevie
07-10-2008, 06:17 PM
i feel young
out of all those movies ive seen one
all of those movies are older then me

jestertopdog
10-10-2008, 10:57 PM
On a slightly different note, what was the car in Hardcastle and Mc"cormic 80s possably?

Spacenut
10-10-2008, 11:19 PM
I think it was called the "Coyote" in the show, but it was actually a Manta Montage - based on the McLaren M6B coupe. Allegedly the car was moulded from an actual McLaren, although you wouldn't know it from the strange proportions.

The Manta Montage was exported to the UK and sold by UVA as the M6GTR.

Now ask me about the Laser 917 in "Herbie goes to Monte Carlo" :laugh:

I miss those old shows, but I refuse to pay extra to watch them on UKTV Gold...

Lauren

nbb350
10-10-2008, 11:50 PM
You mean one of THESE:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/nbb_garage/wallpaper/porsche4.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g294/nbb_garage/wallpaper/porsche8.jpg

I found this at a lonely little used car lot on the side of the highway a few years ago. Notice the "Not for Sale" sign in the front window...

Phill
10-10-2008, 11:55 PM
No - this was the Montage as sold in Britain
http://www.avfl84.dsl.pipex.com/montagedemonstrator.jpg
Read more here:-
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.avfl84.dsl.pipex.com/montagedemonstrator.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.avfl84.dsl.pipex.com/m6det.htm&h=336&w=500&sz=55&hl=en&start=5&usg=__k4rpG1_UEYR6A_RgK8WTJn46yDk=&tbnid=-zddyozamLSzkM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Duva%2Bmontage%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26s a%3DG

nbb350
11-10-2008, 02:10 AM
My pix were of the Laser 917...

Alzax3
11-10-2008, 07:20 AM
The 917 seems to have door fit problems as bad as the Eagle (and what is that apparent gap at the top of the window?) There's just something about the whole ensemble design that doesn't look entirely 'cooked'. Unlike the Montage, which looks thoroughly sorted (bet that screen is just as valuable as a Nova's!) Back in the eighties I fancied one in second place to the Nova. :D

bushboy
11-10-2008, 07:27 AM
I fell in love the the hardcastle car when I was a nipper. Think that that is what started my love affair with kit cars as the reek was the closest thing I could find to it.

I even use to have an airfix model of it.

bushboy

Spacenut
11-10-2008, 01:10 PM
Did they do a kit of the H&M car? Or was it of a straight McLaren M6B?

I believe only 3 M6B road cars were ever made - the idea of selling a roadgoing CanAm car was all down to Bruce McLaren, and after he was killed during testing at Goodwood the idea died with him... a pity, given their revered status today.

There were two types of Manta car made in the early '70s - the Manta Mirage was slightly more disproportionate one, which was used in H&M I believe...

http://www.hotautoweb.com/60manta.html

...While the Manta Montage appears to be the pukka M6B bodyshape, as BB says.

I'm sure I've seen a spider version as well, usually keeping the Beetle floorpan and front suspension, with coilovers at the back and an Olds Toronado engine/transmission package - there was one at the NCKCC San Leandro show when I was there in '97...

Ahh, the good old Laser 917. It wasn't bad for a 1971 kitcar - think of its contemporaries - Kelmark GT... Invader... Fibrefab Valkyrie... :D

Lauren

CyCo
11-10-2008, 01:32 PM
I do remember reading about the Coyote, but not exactly what it said. They used two different cars. They used one type for the first couple of seasons, and for the last one, used a different (but similar shaped) car, painted up the same.

letterman7
11-10-2008, 01:40 PM
The H&M car was just a modded Montage. They appear from time to time on fleabay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Manta-Montage-McLaren-M6GT-Hardcastle-and-McCormick_W0QQitemZ260295917812QQihZ016QQcategoryZ 7251QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Though that particular one is closer to a stock Montage. The "real" car was for sale not too long ago and included all the documentation that it was the stunt (or one of) cars, complete with one seat and a rollcage. I don't know what that actually brought, however...

Spacenut
11-10-2008, 03:32 PM
Thanks for clearing that one up Rick - its been so long since an episode was shown here I couldn't remember... same with the Samos jet cars in THX 1138, although one of my work colleagues has just bought the Region 1 version (the one without all the silly George Lucas CGI effects in it, so I might be able to borrow it soon. First appearance of the Star Wars tractor beam indicator too :D

Lauren