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WryOne
31-08-2009, 09:38 PM
Hello all,

Having spent the last few days browsing this excellent forum it seems the norm to announce each new arrival and so here goes. Although new to this site I have owned a Nova for 28 years and been associated with my particular car for most of my life. My Nova is one of the very first ADD Mk 1 versions which was given to me by the original owner back in 1981. In those days the Nova took up most of my life and for the next 5 years I worked on it every spare minute I had. I did take it to one or two shows, I remember going to Stoneleigh in 1984 and 85. However, a military career took me away and somehow 20 odd years have gone by with the Nova staying safely tucked away waiting for the day I could give it the priority it deserves. Well, that time has now arrived and I am about to lift the covers and get to work. The car remains faithful to the Richard Oakes design, I think such an early example should, but it is no longer lime green and has been improved in many areas over the years. It has fitted a 1974 2.2 Autocavan engine which, along with the car, has done less than 3000 miles. The car is in good shape bearing in mind its time under wraps, I do inspect it periodically. The main jobs to do are a complete re-wire and the fitting of new side windows and headlight covers. My biggest headache will be the lack of weather strip, this was destroyed by the paintshop during a re-spray in the 90s and I would appreciated any help in locating some more. Just to say how pleased I am to have found such an active and professional forum and I hope I can contribute something in the future as well as asking a lot of questions.

Thanks
Ed

bushboy
31-08-2009, 10:15 PM
Welcome to the family oh long lost brother. :groupwave:

We all crave pictures, no matter what state they are in.

As for the canapy seal, some time ago Alex had the die made and an initial run of the seal was done in silicone at great expence. You may be able to rally enough interest in another run and I'm sure Alex (or this forum) still have the contact details.

You may find a member willing to part with a seal as a few of us brought two. One I'm curently procrastinating about fitting and the other has been put away for a rainy day (pun intended). Best I fit it soon as I fear that we have run out of good weather again. ( Insert emicon with an umbrella)

Bushboy

jimcub
01-09-2009, 06:55 AM
:welcome: There must be quite a few sitting in garages lockup around the country no one know's about, yours being a good example.
To get a roof seal made you will need around 10 others wanting one, cost if you get 10 orders is around the 35 mark. I did a run back in about 2006 which was the last batch done, so both me and Alex have all the details but Alex has the rights to the die so his permision needs to be sought.
Sterling sports in USA sell the seals and also do a seal kit, which is canopy, side windows and rear tunnel seal; but these are the foam rubber type with an adheisive strip I have pictures of all I think.

Good luck in getting it back on the road, a few pictures of your car put on the site may help people recognise it.

Spacenut
01-09-2009, 06:59 AM
An originally green early ADD Mk1 with a 2.2 Autocavan engine...? Could this be FOW 718L, one of the original factory demonstrators? Certainly one of the most tested...

After my recent rant about there being no factory-original Novas, have all my Christmases come at once? :clapping:

Apologies to BBC, I did promise to show only mild interest in such developments :D

Welcome to the Euro Nova forum Ed! Martin is right - we crave pictures!

Lauren

Phill
01-09-2009, 04:04 PM
Hi Ed welcome - I too would love to see pictures of your car. Well done for keeping it all those years. I had my first one in 1983/4 and sold it a few years later - but a couple of years ago bought a complete shell then a partly rebuilt example. Now I just need to find the time to rebuild one of them again.

MicksRedNova
03-09-2009, 08:42 PM
Ed

Welcome to the forum. Great to hear of yet another Nova that could potentially join the happy throng of Club Nova/Avante members that frequent the shows, reckon Newark is the closest to you in Rutland so you have nearly a whole year to get it on the road. Check out the Club Nova thread on this forum for details of membership benefits.

Any other assistance you need just post it here. If it ever stops raining this summer/autumn please take photo's.

Mick

WryOne
04-09-2009, 10:04 PM
Thank you to those of you who responded to my post and for the interest shown in this old Nova. The car has been away from view for so long it has never had a digital camera pointed at it, my only shots being the old fashioned variety. Unfortunately, I do not have a garage here at home so the car remains at the family home a few miles away. However, I am going over tomorrow to remove the layers of protective covers and hopefully find a Nova underneath. It will be an interesting day since the covers were last removed in 1997! I will take my camera with me and take a shot or two and hopefully post something up soon.

Thanks again for your interest.

Ed

CyCo
06-09-2009, 08:32 AM
Thank you to those of you who responded to my post and for the interest shown in this old Nova. The car has been away from view for so long it has never had a digital camera pointed at it, my only shots being the old fashioned variety. Unfortunately, I do not have a garage here at home so the car remains at the family home a few miles away. However, I am going over tomorrow to remove the layers of protective covers and hopefully find a Nova underneath. It will be an interesting day since the covers were last removed in 1997! I will take my camera with me and take a shot or two and hopefully post something up soon.

Thanks again for your interest.

Ed

Sounds like it's going to be a great day! Can't wait to see the photos. I wouldn't worry about taking photos in the old fashion way, there's one 'nut around on these forums that still takes photos that way. :wink:

Spacenut
06-09-2009, 08:42 PM
I wouldn't worry about taking photos in the old fashion way, there's one 'nut around on these forums that still takes photos that way. :wink:

I wonder who you could mean?

WryOne
06-09-2009, 09:06 PM
As promised the requested photographs. Had problems trying to post them as attachments yesterday so had to use much lower resolution shots for them to be accepted. Apologies if I should have posted these in the photo section but sure they will be moved if that is the case.
It was a great day yesterday to go over and find the Nova again after all this time. It had survived the ordeal better than I could have hoped and all that was done prior to the shots being taken was a wipe down. The car was last on the road in 1989 and, apart from work carried out in 1993 and 1995, has been under wraps ever since. Now it will be coming to bits and work will start.

First of my many questions. I would be grateful if someone could give me any advice on the numbering of the ADD bodyshells. We know for sure this car is one of the very first and as far as we know the body is not numbered. It is not the demonstrator because when it was collected from Southampton it was constructed in Leicestershire until being sent to Autocavan in 1974. I have 2 letters between the previous owner and the Director of Autocavan discussing the higher spec engine he wanted and the car was taken there for this higher spec engine to be fitted and tested. The weather seal is an issue as you can see so any help there would be much appreciated. I do have more shots but might need some advice as to how best post them as I have already reached my computer limits.

Hope you enjoy seeing this old lady, I would be very surprised if there were an older example in existence.

Ed


Hidden Away for 20 Years!

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Roll out Saturday 5th September, the first light of day since 1997.

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You can see traces of the lime green around the side windows.

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thestevie
06-09-2009, 09:11 PM
i painted my sterling that same color
it looks good

bushboy
06-09-2009, 09:30 PM
I want your wheels!!!!

It is looking very lovely indeed. Such a shame it has been hidden away for so many years.

bushboy

Big Birds Car
06-09-2009, 10:03 PM
The ADD number on my one is 99 and was also a green gelcoat. The number on my one is on the left hand side of the bulkhead under the bonnet.
Even after all these years your car looks great, what are you intending to do in the way of re-building?

Spacenut
07-09-2009, 07:26 AM
Hi Ed - what a fantastic looking car. It must have been great to see it again after all these years.

Your body numbering dilemma is very interesting - ADD seemed to be pretty good at numbering their bodyshells, often with Dymo strip laid into the mould so that the text came out in relief on the drivers side of the front compartment, as BBC points out. For some reason there have been reports of several bodyshells running around with a common number (no. 124 or 126, I forget which), but this was probably due to an oversight - date-wise it would coincide with ADD's relocation to Yorkshire. In the upheaval its likely that the Dymo strip stayed in the mould for several shells before it was changed - and it was changed, as we know total ADD production stood at 179 by 1975.

But I digress... a lot. You may have noticed :D

If you are sure that the car does indeed date from early 1972 (don't go by the registration, which might only be applicable to the donor VW chassis), then I am wondering if your car is one of the 12 original shells made by ADD before the initial loan from John Willment ran out. Its possible that such an early run of cars would not have been uniquely identified. This coincided with a lot of press exposure for the model and orders started pouring in, at which point JW added further finance and series production took off. In order to keep costs down only three gel coat colours were made available - red, green and blue, so that ties in with your cars original colour.

However, to my knowledge the only Nova Mk1s that appear to have escaped identification are the initial run of Elam cars - I have one, and Nigelf in France has the Elam demonstrator, abandoned for many years on a Yorkshire farm, which similarly has no unique identification. So this is mucho interesting - short of being the original company demonstrator, your car is an excellent example of the original factory specification - a piece of history. Now all you need is a set of period Dunlop SP250 radials to grace those Wolfie slot mags!

Lauren

Alzax3
07-09-2009, 07:51 AM
125!

PaddyX21
07-09-2009, 11:16 AM
Great colour, really suits it.
And the wheels are great!

If you do start to garner interest in a run of canopy (and or other) seals then I could be counted in, as I have none for mine atm, even if that is a way down the line yet for me!

Welcome
P

Spacenut
07-09-2009, 11:27 AM
125!

That'll be the one!

Thanks Alex :D

Simpatico
07-09-2009, 11:49 AM
What a beautiful example. With all due respect to those who have slaved away with fibreglass under their nails, no-one IMHO has ever bettered the Mk1 shape and all further fiddling should cease on these rare cars. I'm always amazed how long it takes for people to realize that as time goes by original unmodified cars are THE most desired of any breed.

Spacenut
07-09-2009, 12:06 PM
all further fiddling should cease on these rare cars

Apart from turning the nostrils around on water-cooled ones :whistling:

CyCo
07-09-2009, 12:46 PM
Wow, what a beautiful example. Nice to see she'll finally be turning heads again.


:clapping:

Big Birds Car
07-09-2009, 12:49 PM
errrrr excuse me lauren but I think you may have strayed a little further than that :crylol:

The thing is if we didn't like the car in the first place we wouldn't be so committed to owning one or in deed modifying one. I have to say that I can't remember ANY car that I have owned that I haven't maodified in some way or other. The originals are fine but even in (rather especially in) todays market place you can't build anything, unless it is bespoke, that will be liked or unaltered.
I do admit that modifying older cars is sacrelidegeous (? do we have a spell check?
?) to some but when you had a MK1 two door escort did you ever think that they would be worth silly money now. I knew someone who swapped an Aston Martin DB6 for a Renault 5 Gordini Mk1 (not nice) and 1400. 18 months later the Aston was worth about 35000 as "investors" in the 80's went mad for anything old.
The best car you can have is one you enjoy and not one that will or maybe be worth a load of money later on, what's the point in owning something that you aren't fully happy with just because you may reduce it's resale value later on, if that is the way you think then sell the car and get something that ticks all the boxes.
Having said that I can and do admire originality in older cars and kits but not enough for me to own one just for the sake that it is original. :sorry: will sod off now :oops2:

jimcub
07-09-2009, 05:17 PM
A nice example of a nice car, I don't believe a car is for looking at; it shouls be used. Get it on the road!!

Simpatico
07-09-2009, 05:50 PM
will sod off now

No, it's me who should sod off, my puritanical viewpoint is very much in the minority. In my other life on the Lotus Esprit forums modding is rife on stuff that once I could only dream of, and no amount of sobbing into my keyboard will change it, just the modern way I guess. :giveup:

I remember when all around here were nowt but fields................. :bye2:

Spacenut
07-09-2009, 06:01 PM
errrrr excuse me lauren but I think you may have strayed a little further than that :crylol:

Well, maybe, but that is the only change to the outside of the car. Apart from the headlamps. And the wiper. But they are just incidentals - the point Mark was making (I think) is that I haven't tampered with the styling of the Nova, so have not undermined its integrity, even though its completely different underneath. I think this is OK because ADD did not design the Beetle floorpan, only the fibreglass body that sits on top of it. If Richard Oakes and Phil Sayers had toiled for months designing a chassis as well perhaps I would be less inclined to change things...

I do agree with you though, while I appreciate originality I wouldn't be able to drive an unmodified Mk1 - even floorpan drops were introduced later, I don't think they were a factory initiative... But I am sure that ADD did not start out with the intention of selling a sports car designed exclusively for short-a$$es either :oops2: :sorry:

Now I'll shut up too :blushing: :zipped: :stupid:

:D

Lauren

thestevie
07-09-2009, 07:32 PM
i do both
my 240z is all original and i want to keep it that way.
i would like to get another one though
maybe drop a big block v8 in it with a 280zx tranny they fit perfectly....

i do have alot of ideas for my sterling though

i really dont plan on ever selling my cars though.
i dont buy a car because i can sell it for more later.
if i wanted more money i wouldn t buy a car in the first place.
i would live with the 2 (hopefully 3 soon) that i have now.

WryOne
09-09-2009, 09:06 PM
Thank you for the response and particularly Lauren for the very interesting ADD bodyshell information. Thanks also to BBC for advising the location of the number which is consistent with advice I had back in the 80s. Back then I was told to look for the number exactly where you advised, there was nothing. However, just to be sure, I had another look yesterday and can definitely say the bodyshell is not numbered. Laurens new information about the 12 original bodyshells is very interesting and particularly pertinent as the original owner consistently said his Nova was either the first or one of the very first, he thought it one of the prototypes. This ties up well with these 12 bodyshells which, I suppose, could be considered pre-production bodies. For Lauren, the body is definitely early 72 and the donor vehicle is 1970, I have all the details.

So thanks very much for confirming for me something I had always believed correct. As such I will keep this Nova in its original state and hope to bring it along to one of your gatherings next year.

Ed

Big Birds Car
09-09-2009, 09:37 PM
Simpatico, come back someone is in agreement with you so you can stop crying onto your keyboard (for the Nova side of things at least - Lotus, well what can you do with the mid-life crisis brigade (only joking if there are any Lotus owners here)).

Wryone, nice looking machine, hope that when you get to drive it again that it doesn't disappoint from you memories of over 20 years ago and that you get to use it as often as possible in the future. By the way does it have manual or hydraulic canopy, I notice the indentation for the T handle in the roof (I cut my one out and filled it flat for asthetics).

WryOne
09-09-2009, 10:10 PM
I still have that T-handle somewhere! It was manual for quite a while but eventually I bought a Smiths Minipac and all seemed to work OK. Just hope it has survived the lay off and will come back to life without too much trouble. I put a small aerial in that detent which looked OK.

jmd
14-09-2009, 02:28 PM
man, what a spectacular car.
I love those classic slot wheels, such an amazing looking car.
Thank you for coming out of the barn with your car (so to speak)...

Wonderful!