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Nic
30-10-2009, 04:56 PM
I just had a possibly crazy exhaust idea. I was on TheSamba reading a post about Stinger exhausts. My initial thought was "wouldn't it be funny/ugly to use a stinger exhaust on a Sterling. Either sticking out the back of the car, past the body."
This style....
http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/334548.jpg

Then I thought, hmmm... could you get all that tucked inside the body work, with a shorter Stinger tip and have it exit high in the center of the bumper?
Something like this...
http://www.gulum.net/arabalar/resimler/FF_Racing_01-1024.jpg

Opinions?

bobbybrown
30-10-2009, 05:01 PM
If you could make that work, pipewise, and had a suitable back bumper than I think it would look really smart coming out of the bumper like the lower picture shows.

Not too keen on the idea of it coming out in a vertical kind of way though :nonono:

benherron
30-10-2009, 05:33 PM
There are definitely a few sports cars out there that i know which have centre exhausts.

Zonda http://www.newcoolcars.com/zonda.bmp

Ferrari 360 GT http://www.nsxfiles.com/images5/tcra_july_04_cal_360_rear.jpg

Ultima http://www.racehome.com/images/otd11ultimarear.jpg

But they all have length/width to their advantage.

Definitely think you would have to put 2 silencers down either side of the engine.
Routing the pipes from the engine to silencers the opposite way to normal i.e. towards the cabin, allowing room for the pipe from the silencers to bumper to wrap around in front of the engine. If that makes sense. :confused1:

Nic
30-10-2009, 06:11 PM
I was thinking of one or two pipes exiting high center. Sorta like this.
(please excuse my horrid bitmap rendering. I dont have the PS skills. )
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l61/quikniq/Sterling/Centerexhaust.jpg

letterman7
30-10-2009, 07:03 PM
It's going to be a crucially tight fit to get the header behind the rear valance, but I think it can be done. You might have to trim a little of the bottom, but other than that you should have room. That said, getting a single exhaust from the header out the back is going to be the challenge. You might have 3 or 4 inches to work with between the header tip and the back of the car... a little tight for a bend. Most of those types of "TeePee" headers end at the height of the carburators; in theory, you could fabricate a couple S bends off to either side, then back again to the middle... but it's gonna be tight! And... you'll need to fit a muffler in there somewhere!

jimcub
30-10-2009, 11:16 PM
I could get mine to exit anywhere on the back panel, mine uses a 4 into 1 header then curves back and then curves forward again into 2 silencers, but the the tail pipes could be routed anywhere.

http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv26/jimcub/DSC02633.jpg

the whole lot is a CSP manifold and silencers and in ceramic and stainless, there is enough room under the rear arches and valence to make it exit almost anywhere.
I intend to get the tailpipes out of the intended cutouts where the reflectors are now. By angling the boxes up and then angling the tail pipes straight again.

ydeardorff
31-10-2009, 02:45 PM
The biggest thing I have noted with the stinger exhausts, is the noise, and routing.
If your using the VW lump, some custom and pipe will need to be adapted to allow that single output. By the photos Ive seen it looks like there is little room with the pulley right there. I think the GTR's setup would be the best idea. It would bring up the output above the engine.
The scooby setup might offer more room and options for the exhaust output pipe.

I personally like the single output look, rather than the hanging pipes under the body work. The lower pipes look like an after though, rather than a designed in feature. In fact the tail cone of the scooby transaxle like the photo of the GTR could have the end removed, and plated off to provide more room.

heres another vid of a the gtr exhaust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZYdldO ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZYdldOPgs&feature=related)

LotusNova
01-11-2009, 06:33 AM
They can look very cool. :cool1:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2592/ferrarienzopa2.jpg

JemP
01-11-2009, 09:26 AM
I'm not sure that those are cool, they look like effeminate little snails eyes poking out of the top of the bodywork :)

letterman7
01-11-2009, 02:50 PM
They can look very cool. :cool1:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2592/ferrarienzopa2.jpg

:shock: What the hell is that??

And yes...those tiny exhausts do look like snail eyes.....

CyCo
01-11-2009, 03:12 PM
They can look very cool. :cool1:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2592/ferrarienzopa2.jpg

:shock: What the hell is that??

And yes...those tiny exhausts do look like snail eyes.....

Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina (http://www.leftlanenews.com/second-look-ferrari-p-45-by-pininfarina.html).

Would you believe it's a custom one off for a Ferrari collector. You should, because it is. Of course, Ferrari/Pininfarina used it as a design/engineering 'lesson'.

hildi25
01-11-2009, 04:49 PM
I am currently working on something similar, not too sure what route to go yet. But with the added 6 inches of lenght to my rear body, it seems to be not really a problem with concealling it. I will have to wait with my finished idea until I reproduce a replica of my bodystyle, because the foam is going to be in the way . But for now I am going to have to go with the snorkel look probably out the top.

Rob

Peter
01-11-2009, 05:29 PM
I have the same exhaust as you but cut off the tail pipes and welded on 2" stainless pipes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Ukhozi/Anhandorp.jpg

letterman7
01-11-2009, 05:31 PM
Ya know... for $3 million I really want windows that open.....

Spacenut
01-11-2009, 05:53 PM
They can look very cool. :cool1:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2592/ferrarienzopa2.jpg

Not a bad effort, for a modern, but PF got it right the first time with the 250 P5...

http://www.carstyling.ru/en/cars.1968_F ... %20P5.html (http://www.carstyling.ru/en/cars.1968_Ferrari_250%20P5.html)

Leonardo Fioravanti did the styling, which used the chassis from the Ferrari P4. Apparently this one-off bodyshell was used to clothe the later Alfa P33 concept, so it no longer exists in this form, which is a shame, although I like the P33 too...

I think on balance I prefer the spaghetti exhausts of the original - the P4/5 exhausts look like ship's ventilation funnels :lmfao:

Lauren

Nic
10-11-2009, 12:56 AM
This exhaust is WAY too high, but this is kinda what I was thinking about.

http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv264/BCG-Industries/DSCF1601.jpg


btw, image stolen from here:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewto ... c&start=20 (http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=375696&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20)

letterman7
10-11-2009, 01:56 AM
:crylol: That's f*cked up right there. God help you if you have to change the belt. Let me amend that. When you change the belt! That said... it is doable. Remember, Nic, that 4 into1 collector is separate from the rest of the four pipes. It's usually held on by springs, and indeed, you can see those in the photo. If you've got a good fabricator, there's no reason you couldn't make a 90 degree right off those pipes into a main collector then back up again... or a 90 then another 90 right out the back!

mattswan2512
10-11-2009, 10:19 AM
That is seriously smart I'm guessing you'd have the tail pipes coming out mid rear bumper like a zonda or something similar. I don't envy a belt change on that although it is spring so very easy to remove although how you would find the space in a nova or other varient I don't know because that looks like a buggy to me :wink:

Peter
10-11-2009, 08:27 PM
Whilst I like the idea of the centre exit tail pipes I think the top U bend would look daft sticking out of the engine lid.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Ukhozi/loop.jpg :wink:

Nic
10-11-2009, 09:44 PM
Or I could make it really BIG and call it a roll bar!

letterman7
10-11-2009, 11:09 PM
Nah... just fab a box around it and use it for heat. Oh yeah, you're in CA... you don't need no stinkin' heat!

Nic
11-11-2009, 05:43 PM
That's not true... it's supposed to get all the way down to 41° in a few days.
And then back to a pleasant 70° after that. :tongue:

12-11-2009, 04:42 PM
In the old nova-forum there was an owner called Phil who had done what you are perhaps looking for!

Alzax3
12-11-2009, 07:29 PM
Isn't that the one with the complete MR2 engine shoe-horned into the back?

13-11-2009, 01:35 PM
no, there was an aircooled engine built in it.

benherron
13-11-2009, 07:23 PM
As an alternative, if you didnt want them in the middle could you could try buggy exhausts such as

http://www.status-vw.co.uk/shop/media/buggy08.jpg

and exit high to either side?

Nic
13-11-2009, 10:42 PM
Hi Ben,

Yes, that could be used, but it would need to be altered with a cross tube or something. The double barrel cannons mean less HP unless they are cross tied together.

benherron
13-11-2009, 11:34 PM
That's odd as these types of buggy exhausts are generally located under the "performance exhaust" part of vw parts sites.
What's the reason they loose hp by not being joined?

That's obviously the reason I couldnt find many beetle exhausts that don't have a header.
The problem adm on mine is that the exhaust header just visibly pokes out the back. as per below, ignoring that particular back box.

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/benherron/Picture8-1.png

What I want is a low down dual exit with small silencers down either side of the engine, without a header poking out.

The closest off the shelf ones i could find were

Empi- £150
http://www.justaircooled.co.uk/images/P/beetle%20parts%20empi%20low%20mount%20exhaust%20sy stem.jpg
Which looks like it would poke out a fair bit.

or

CSP- £500-600
http://www.mdccox.be/images/16_echappement/sport/251001038se.jpg
Also looks like it pokes out and at that price its a no go.

So looks like a custom jobbie might be in order.....tying in nicely with the original post.........who/where would do custom exhausts and how much would it be?

jimcub
13-11-2009, 11:45 PM
The CSP does poke out about 1" at the bottom, so a low shround, panel or mesh would have to be fromed to cover this

letterman7
14-11-2009, 03:36 AM
That's odd as these types of buggy exhausts are generally located under the "performance exhaust" part of vw parts sites.
What's the reason they loose hp by not being joined?

CSP- £500-600
http://www.mdccox.be/images/16_echappement/sport/251001038se.jpg
Also looks like it pokes out and at that price its a no go.

So looks like a custom jobbie might be in order.....tying in nicely with the original post.........who/where would do custom exhausts and how much would it be?

"Zoom" pipes loose horsepower to the motor because they don't scavange the exhaust gases from alternate sides. Never had anything but those, I can't make any comparisons. One of our members bought that CSP system and loves it, mainly for the reason it's stainless - and here on the east coast of the states that's important!

Alzax3
14-11-2009, 12:40 PM
I think the buggy pipes get listed under 'performance' in a 'makes an awful lot of noise' sense, not an 'increased power' one - decibels up horse power down........ :)

benherron
14-11-2009, 01:05 PM
These would do nicely, wonder how much postage to uk thou

http://www.shop.sterlingsportscars.com/ ... tegoryId=5 (http://www.shop.sterlingsportscars.com/product.sc?productId=70&categoryId=5)

Nic
19-04-2010, 07:46 PM
Resurrecting a dead topic here but saw these on samba as well.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/comswitchdigital/P1000505.jpg

These appear to be 4 into 4, but I'm sure SOMETHING could be done about that, a cross link somewhere under or behind maybe?

CyCo
20-04-2010, 04:16 AM
Certainly looks cool and chunky!!

:cool1: :D

hildi25
20-04-2010, 05:10 AM
Back to your original post. Nic this is how my sterling looks with a tri-mill header into a stinger with a spark arrester on top. My body is six inches longer than the orignal body. ALthough this would work on a original sterling or nova.

http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m403/hildi25/SUNP0001.jpg

http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m403/hildi25/SUNP0004.jpg



ROB