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Spacenut
23-04-2010, 09:09 PM
OK, the theme for this month's event was "Family Favourites - 4 seater fun". You will see just how inappropriate some of the attendees were in due course. Although this time I was relegated to the "interesting" car park, with the usual modern Porkers and such like...

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A Ferrari 275GTB, a big favourite with all the family...

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Super looking A-series Opel Manta. A bit cosy for the whole family...

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Ahh, the Rover P6 - soooo evocative!

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At last - a proper 4-seater, motivated by 383 cubes of Mopar muscle. Plus a Panhard rod to keep everything ship-shape :D

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Ferrari 412 - in a straight comparison between this and the Lamborghini Espada, I would take the latter every time, but I will concede that the big Fezza has a certain charm. The restrained Pininfarina styling is very elegant - using the same sharp style as the Fiat 130 and Lancia Gamma coupes, even the RR Camargue (my favourite Roller). A big hit with the whole (well-heeled) family...

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I like the colour, I like the graphics. Fords answer to the Vauxhall Droopsnoot Firenza, with a plastic wedge nose and the potent Pinto 2-litre engine - and traction bars to stop the rear leaf springs winding up... Definitely one better than my Dad's Mk2 Escort 1.3...

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Aston Martin V8 Vantage and Mk1 Lotus Cortina bask in the early morning sunshine...

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Lotus Elite 501, one of the most recognisably 1970's cars of the 1970's. And a proper 4-seater too. Its stange really - I have no time at all for modern hatchbacks, but I love the Scimitar SE5, Lotus Elite, TVR Zante, BL Zanda prototypes etc., all of which had small rear glasshatches. I know, I thought it was weird too :confused1:

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BMW Isetta bubble car. Made by BMW under licence from Italian refridgerator king Count Renzo Rivolta (head of Iso). Open the front door and the steering wheel swings aside to reveal 4 seats and a fabric sunroof. Austerity motoring, 1950's style :D

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E-type nose and early Porker...

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The unmistakable silhouette of my favourite French GT, le Alpine-Renault A310. Avec un V6 moteur dans le derriere - un Porker Francais, n'est pas?

Of course, being a V6 this one has 4 headlights, the 4 cylinder cars have 6 headlights... but only three wheel nuts. Confusing isn't it?

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For some perverse reason I quite like the GTR32 Skyline, although I would never contemplate owning such a beast. Even the GTR32 must have more computing power on board than my PC...

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Unusual factory colour scheme on a Mk1 Escort RS2000...

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Plenty of room to stretch out in this classic 220 coupe...

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One of my all-time favourite Beamers, the 635CSi - bit cramped in the back though...

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Would you believe, a Ford Zephyr station wagon???

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Mk2 Cortina-Lotus. The names were swapped for this car, reflecting the greater input from Ford - more weight, softer suspension etc. etc. But at least the Mk2 did away with the fragile alloy cased differential and locating frame (which was prone to tearing itself apart on hard cornering).

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I'm sorry, this just isn't a family car!

That's it.

Lauren

Dirk
23-04-2010, 10:49 PM
Thatís a really early Alpine Iíve got some photos of a prototype Alpine that I spotted on holiday back in the 80ís Ill dig them out really cool. It is a nice car and much better than the Chrysler named one which made Renault change to GTA! This would be on my wish list just after the GT40. Iíve had a few Fuegoís ( my missus wrote the last one off) and I loved them.

Dirk

Simpatico
23-04-2010, 11:52 PM
At last someone spotted my old Elite! S2 not 501 (geek mode off). The chap I sold it to said he would be attending this, though I haven't seen any other photos of it on the net.

Spacenut
25-04-2010, 04:51 PM
Hiya Mark - d'ya know, I thought it was the same colour as yours when I saw it. I didn't know you'd sold it though :cry:

Hmm. I used the "501" designator to differentiaite it from the FWE Elite. I know there was a 501, 502 and 503 designator, but what was the difference? Model series? Or specification?

Lauren

Vasco Da Gamer
25-04-2010, 11:01 PM
I completely agree about 70's hatchbacks, somehow they've "got it" and modern stuff hasn't; I thought it might be to do with "wedginess", but the SE5a was anything but wedgy - perhaps it was the implied glamour from Royalty using them. In fact it is probably just rarity value - if the world were full of SE5as, Elites etc then I would probably not glance longingly at each one that went by.

When friends and family were trying to persuade me not to buy the Nova, a Lotus Esprit was mentioned as a far more practical (if much more expensive than I could afford) alternative, and I did look at a few - but in fact if I had found a passable Elite at the time then I would definitely have been tempted - especially since I was originally (believe it or not) thinking of buying something relatively practical.... Mind you, I am aware that early LOTUSes (Loti?) used to be referred to as.... Loads Of Trouble Usually Serious.

Love the Manta - the nearest thing to a Charger that Europe ever came up with (yes, even better than the Cortina Mk3 IMO). There is a magnificent concours Orange example which shows up at various shows in the Eastbourne environs, but it currently has big ugly non-standard wheels which ruin it utterly (especially since the ride height then looks wrong) - the Rostyle ones on the car above are what should be in place of course.

Steve

Spacenut
26-04-2010, 12:04 PM
I agree - a Series 1 Esprit would be my fallback position if Novas are legislated off the road. I would just have to find a way of grafting on the later double wishbone rear suspension without losing too many points...

The Opel Manta was a lovely shape, which owed a lot to Bertone's Fiat Dino coupe.

Lauren

Simpatico
26-04-2010, 06:53 PM
Lauren - the old model designators were dropped on the Elite/Eclat in about 1980 when the engine was enlarged to 2.2 litres and the spec was simplified with a more obvious options list. A load of other postives like galv chassis, Getrag gearbox etc made enough changes to call it the S2.

Yes it's gone :( ; I'm gutted but a combination of some poor purchasing decisions (my fault), some unexpected bills like all my flat roofing failing in the long winter, plus some poor medium term job prospects means something had to give. I got virtually all my money back on it, and theres not many times that's happened - buy high sell low is my usual mantra! Will definitely have another when things pick up, but it will ultimately cost more to restore than a perfect original. Anyhow I can't really get the violins out, the Esprit is still in the garage after all.

Spacenut
26-04-2010, 09:01 PM
Hi Mark - thanks for clarifying that for me. If I fancy myself as a Lotus owner in the future I should make sure I know more about the things :D

Sorry to hear things didn't work out with the Elite - I hope you managed to get some enjoyment out of it before it sold. After all, to paraphrase the old saying, it is better to have driven and sold than not have driven at all... I'm just not making any sense at all now, am I :lmfao:

Lauren

Spacenut
26-04-2010, 09:13 PM
Love the Manta - the nearest thing to a Charger that Europe ever came up with (yes, even better than the Cortina Mk3 IMO)

Chuck Jordan. That was the name I was trying to remember - head of GM Europe styling at the time, and responsible for the Opel GT (mini-Corvette looks), Opel CD concept (see my latest video effort http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU1I32s5DFg ) and the A series Manta. I suspect he also had a hand in the sharp styled Commodore as well :cool1:

Lauren

Simpatico
26-04-2010, 10:41 PM
There were some great designers at GM Europe in the 60s-80s. Chuck Jordan, Wayne Cherry, Henry Haga, George Gallion, Hideo Kodama etc who helped define a definite style to the Opel brand that lasted until the turn of the century. It was a confusing time, many names bandied around, who was in charge of who etc, as all the medium execs jockeyed for top position, so pinning a design down to one person in such a huge empire is faintly impossible.

BTW it always amused me that in a culture as youth obsessed as car design something as trendy as the Calibra was styled by a modest 60+ year old gentleman called Erhard Schnell who could trace his styling career back to the Opel GT. In fact the whole team looked like they had a median age of 50!

Vasco Da Gamer
26-04-2010, 10:44 PM
Brilliant !!!

Great production values too - very cool opening font there....

My God - and I thought the Nova had a sloped windscreen...

I thought the Abarth was particularly incredible - that would have been my Number Two, I'm honestly not keen on the thing that was in there at 2 (can't remember what it was now). Number 1 wasn't a particular surprise :cool1:

Yeah - the Commodore definitely has a similar look to the series 1 Manta, possibly even the Kadet too.

Talking of Number 2 (no, behave) I thought that after a rubbish opening episode, The Prisoner (2010) improved just a little this week. Still not right, still lacks loads of essential elements, but it did have something of the surreal dreamlike atmosphere this week. Still can't believe they didn't use a modernised version of the music though, and Number 6 doesn't even have a cool car or address in his old life... Anyway I digress. Perhaps they shouldn't remake Blake's 7 after all.

Steve

Spacenut
27-04-2010, 08:24 PM
Perhaps they shouldn't remake Blake's 7 after all

I hope not. Is nothing sacred????

Spacenut
28-04-2010, 11:27 AM
I thought the Abarth was particularly incredible - that would have been my Number Two, I'm honestly not keen on the thing that was in there at 2 (can't remember what it was now). Number 1 wasn't a particular surprise :cool1:

The Abarth 2000 Prototypo was stylied by Pininfarina in 1969, and although impressive lacks the sheer attention to detail in the Guigiaro styled Alfasud Caimano (which I put at No. 2). But I agree the styling of the Caimano is not the best, Guigiaro was constrained to the use of the Alfasud platform with its front engine. I've often wondered how it would have turned out if he had been given the latitude to move the engine and transmission package to the back... A scaled-down Boomerang I suspect, like the Hofstetter Turbo, and none the worse for it :D

Of course, that's just my preference, and limiting it to a top 10 left out a lot of cars - Dodge Charger III, Bond Bug... the list goes on!

Lauren

Vasco Da Gamer
28-04-2010, 03:44 PM
The Hofstetter Turbo very definitely reminds me of the Charger, inspiration perhaps ?

I have never seen the Dodge Charger 3 before either - and I love it..... I am starting to realise that I am seriously ignorant on cars now, I sort of lost interest for many years and seem to be coming back to it in a big way thanks to you lot...

I can't re-view your video here at work, but will look again at home and perhaps re-evaluate my opinion on Car Number 2 :D

Steve

Spacenut
28-04-2010, 06:57 PM
The Hofstetter Turbo very definitely reminds me of the Charger, inspiration perhaps ?

You mean the VW kit Charger? Ill-begotten progeny of the Siva Saluki? Maybe, but the Turbo is completely and utterly inspired by the brilliant Maserati Boomerang - trouble is, getting hold of the mid-mount Golf powered Brazilian is going to be difficult with less than 20 made :cry:


I have never seen the Dodge Charger 3 before either - and I love it..... I am starting to realise that I am seriously ignorant on cars now, I sort of lost interest for many years and seem to be coming back to it in a big way thanks to you lot...

Ahh, its a rare bird the Charger III - I didn't include it in my top 10 because the car was a non-running pushmobile with a very conventional planform, but the Maximillian-the-robot visor windshield and fabulous futuristic rear three-quarter view are something to behold. Some neat features too - 6-speed autobox (mockup), articulating steering wheel synchronised with the canopy, flip-up overhead rear-view mirror - and a sealed engine bay with plug-in diagnostics under a side panel...


I can't re-view your video here at work, but will look again at home and perhaps re-evaluate my opinion on Car Number 2 :D

The Ciamano had a rotating drum graphical instrument display, recessed handbrake lever, a brilliant "sliding gate" gearlever gaitor, cockpit-adjustable downforce spoiler, secondary side hatch in the canopy for ventilation and giving money to toll-booth attendants (if they are very short!), rear tailgate, integrated seats with novel adjustable headrests, and crazy rectangular headlamp pods that pop up in a way I still haven't figured out yet :D

Like I said, incredible attention to detail - which is why Giugiaro is widely regarded as being the best car stylist of the 20th century...

Lauren

Spacenut
28-04-2010, 08:18 PM
Hehe - found some video of the Hofstetter... The digidash was a factory fitment, by the way.

Mark, this is for you! (You've probably seen it already, but hey! Great minds and all that... :D )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIgkubyCYY

Do you think the car has a turbo, perchance...? :rofl:

Lauren

thestevie
28-04-2010, 10:16 PM
nice
not my cup of tea

at first I thought the H on the nose was history channel logo

Nic
29-04-2010, 04:23 PM
oooh, I do like the sound of that engine!

Vasco Da Gamer
29-04-2010, 10:56 PM
Hi again

Yes, sorry I did indeed mean the b@st@rd child of the Siva Saluki when I referred to a Charger. Actually I do still think there is a strong resemblance.....

Love the digidash on The Hofstetter (vaguely ironic given the similar dash on "The Hoff"s TV car ) and that engine does sound amazing - especially inside the car. Normally I am not a fan of big wings on cars, but that one does suit it.

"Maximillian-the-robot visor windshield" made me laugh - not many people would get that; if I said it to most of the people I work with they would just look blank - but the supposed arty farties in my Graphic Design department would know the reference... :D Funny how a single visual can bring back memories - I can even remember the music now.

I am afraid I still don't like the Ciamano though :bleh: full of clever invention it is, but it all looks like it's leaning back over the rear wheels - I want to pull all the styling elements forward to balance it up! I can see what they were getting at from the "above" shots, but that heavy rear end treatment still jars.
I didn't find any interior shots from it but I did check out the Maserati Boomerang and the dashboard on that is truly brilliant (I think that's another one I remember from Alternative Cars magazine).

Meanwhile, a friend has invited me round tomorrow evening to view old UFO videos and discuss Nova interior styling ideas.... should be fun :cheers:

Steve

Spacenut
30-04-2010, 07:00 PM
Meanwhile, a friend has invited me round tomorrow evening to view old UFO videos and discuss Nova interior styling ideas.... should be fun :cheers:

Sounds like a recipe for a top night in :clapping:

Enjoy!

Lauren