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Simpatico
24-05-2010, 07:41 PM
As if a Cheetah ( :scared:) Miura isn't odd enough this one is front engined!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lambourghini-Miura-Cheetah-Replica-/150447044304?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item230757b6d0

islandman
25-05-2010, 12:55 AM
Now that looks nice, if I were in the UK I would be tempted :crylol:

Spacenut
25-05-2010, 01:09 PM
Hi Mark - nice find! I knew of two different specifications offered by Cheetah for this car - a transverse mid-engine Ford CVH and an all-Granada based front engine configuration, of which this is clearly an example (possibly the only one). As mentioned before, the rear bodywork is not quite accurate, but otherwise this body was used substantially unchanged for the Prova ZL. The windscreen and side glass were OEM originals.

Carlton (who did the quite nice Carrera) also planned to produce the front engined Rover V8 Montana - a replica of the DeTomaso Pantera. Alas, only one was built and I know not what became of it...

The instability that plagued the original Miura will also affect this car, as it was more to do with the lack of downforce aerodynamics at speeds above 120 mph, something that also affects (according to the apocryphal tale) the Nova...

I like the idea of this car, but I would want it mid-engined, perhaps with a sidewinder V8 out of an Urraco...

Lauren

Spacenut
25-05-2010, 06:34 PM
Actually, I've just had a good look at the pictures again (Javascript is disabled at work), and the engine install is really neat - it occupies the space where the Miura would have had the fuel tank and spare wheel. Balance should be good with the V6 mounted well behind the axle line, and headlights appear to be OEM too! The interior is sort-of there, with a bit of work even the fantastic sculptural qualities of the original could be reproduced.

The rear lights are not Miura, but I have seen them used on equally exotic machines (Maserati?).

My 1986 kit car guide had a picture of a Granada-based Cheetah Miura, but in the B&W image I could only make out that the main body colour was slightly darker than the silver sill (rocker) panels. That car used the Granada alloys from the Mk2. This car seems to have BBS style gold lattice type splitrims. Overall, very impressed - no wonder the original owner refused to allow a mould to be taken!

Lauren

Simpatico
25-05-2010, 11:33 PM
Yes a lot of care and attention has been lavished on that car. I think the back lights are Alfa Montreal, not sure why the owner didn't use the GTV units I would think they are easier to get hold of? The Prova prototype used upturned Cavalier Mk1 lights which were a dead ringer for the later SV style.

letterman7
26-05-2010, 12:37 AM
Interesting... he says to search for another replica to garner a base price. I've never seen a replica Miura here... any guesses as to what he's really asking?

Spacenut
26-05-2010, 12:56 PM
Hmm - I think he might be referring to the Parallel Designs replica, which has had an extremely long gestation period from when I first saw it at Goodwood FOS about 5 years ago (bare shell, no glass, BMW V8 longitudinal mid-mount) to the present incarnation (which has a twin-turbo Audi A6 engine and transmission). They have been "fiddling" with the front bodywork, trying to make it look more "modern". I ought to know more about this lot, they are only a few miles up the road in Guildford...

http://www.paralleldesigns.co.uk/

Like the Prova ZL before it, interest in the Miura is lukewarm compared to Parallel's Diablo replica. It was the same with the Prova Miura, which was overshadowed by demand for the Countach replica.

I did see two ZL's together at Sandown Park many years ago ('93-'95, something like that) - both bright red with gold wheels and rocker panels, using the Mk1 Cavalier lights, like Mark says (you were right about the Monty lights by the way, I knew I had seen them somewhere...)

While I am sure that if Parallel Designs ever get their Miura roadworthy it will be worth considerably more than the Cheetah, the will to complete the development just doesn't seem to be there - so unless there are any Prova ZL's lying around, this will be as close as you will get to a proper Miura replica for some time to come!

Lauren

PS - Cheetah called it the Mirach 2 - to distance it from the Mirach, which I think that recent GT40 thingy was an example of :D

Vasco Da Gamer
26-05-2010, 01:20 PM
Oh God...... a front spoiler on a Miura replica, UTTER SACRILEGE!!! More modern.... ughhh, why on earth would you do that with one of the most beautiful cars ever designed?

There seems to be very little out on the net about the Cheetah - thanks for the Mirach 2 name by the way - but I still can't find much to look at.

I wouldn't say no to the Cheetah - the back end is a little wrong as stated by Lauren, and those external boot hinges let it down, but overall I rather like it. I would have been more than tempted if I had not bought the Nova last year.

I really don't get the thing about Countach replicas and other vastly winged wedge-things, I would far rather have the Miura since it is relatively understated (this from a Nova owner.... OK, fair enough) or at least the first Countach MK1 before it got pregnant and had bits and pieces nailed all over it. A similar example would be the original "Saint-mobile" Jaguar XJX - which I thought looked fine until they added lots of chrome and other nasties to the original pure design.

I appear to be ranting....

Steve

P.S. The guy could also have meant - there are no other Miura replicas on E-Bay, so its uniqueness should garner a good price... ?
P.P.S. In a former life I designed the front bits of Guildford Car Park.... I am not proud of this.... :wink:

Alzax3
26-05-2010, 05:49 PM
Not the concrete multi-storey one? :shock:

Spacenut
26-05-2010, 06:58 PM
Mmmmm, concrete... :notworthy:

I completely agree - to me all the tacked-on wings and spoilers on the Countach made it look more like a car and less like a spaceship. I would have an LP400 Countach any day. I've often wondered how much work would be required to convert a LP500 bodyshape back into a "periscope model"... probably a fair amount :(

And then what do you power it with? Jag 5.3 V12 with a Porsche gearbox? And it would still be a replica at the end of the day, rather than an original styled vehicle...

Lauren

Spacenut
26-05-2010, 07:41 PM
Here you go...

http://www.lamboreplica.co.uk/gallery/album32?page=1

The black/silver car is the CVH mid-mount I remember seeing in the catalogue, and the red part-built one has the original Granada alloys, so is probably front-engined. The later pictures show an in-line Rover V8 install with a Renault 30 transaxle - that would have been a tight fit!

Lauren

Simpatico
26-05-2010, 09:41 PM
That Parallel Miura, ugh! I think it uses the Cheetah mould personally, look at the "overbite on the front opening (where a bumper should sit and probably cant) and the flattened roof and side windows....coincidence?

Vasco Da Gamer
27-05-2010, 11:02 AM
No, the car park I worked on in Guildford was the one against the cliff - it has multiple tiered roofs cascading down in steps - won an award dont-cha-know. I didn't win an award - I just did the fascia bits on the various sticky-out bays on the building, and even then the local planners made us change the panel colours from blue to beige....

http://www.iharchitects.com/920-space-m ... dford.html (http://www.iharchitects.com/920-space-multi-story-carpark-guildford.html)

Funny - seemed like a lot of work at the time, now the detailing looks very simplistic and dull.

I hate concrete..... generally...... - if badly done anyway, e.g. the new Towner Art Gallery in Eastbourne - a brutalist (and largely empty) white box in which even the pathetic amounts of architectural detailing present have been done badly... Actually I think this may have been mentioned before - leading to some discussion on the excellent De La Warr Pavillion in Bexhill:

http://www.dlwp.com/building/default.htm

I still reckon that might make a superb backdrop for the Nova some day - although I would have to persuade them to let me take the car round to the good bit - the car park side is the ugly side.

Anyway, how is it that a genius painter like poor old Turner ended up associated with cr@p art and poor (to my admittedly out of step mind) architecture... ? There seem to be loads of rubbish white boxes named after Turner. Having said that I rather liked the concrete inside-out house which got the Turner prize a few years ago... Anyway, if I had to have "modern" I would want one of those Mondrian inspired Huf Houses:

http://www.huf-haus.com/gb/intro.html

An LP500 replica converted back to its pure shape is an intriguing idea - it would be interesting to see if the basic body shape is actually correct under all that "stuff".... I suspect not. I do appreciate that taking spoilers and the like off reduces the downforce considerably for high speed driving, but I don't care ! :D To me the LP400 has "it" in every respect whilst I wouldn't pause to look at an LP500. Well, maybe just a glance.

Thanks for the Cheetah Miura link - that does appear to be the only site with any decent photographs of the car. I think I would still be very tempted by the E-Bay one and I hope they get a price worthy of its unique status and obvious sentimental value.

Steve

Spacenut
27-05-2010, 08:40 PM
That Parallel Miura, ugh! I think it uses the Cheetah mould personally, look at the "overbite on the front opening (where a bumper should sit and probably cant) and the flattened roof and side windows....coincidence?

Hi Mark - I don't think its a coincidence at all, I think this is from the Prova moulds, which were only slightly modified from the Cheetah original. Their development page show all sorts of modifications made to the roof gutters, etc. Why didn't they include these details originally? Secondhand moulds, of course. However, the chap I talked to at Goodwood wouldn't be drawn on the details.

Its a shame really - although the Cheetah was a good effort for the time, it clearly isn't moulded from an original car like the early Countachs, Venom, Prova etc. If Parallel Designs are doing a 100% faithful Diablo bodyshell the least they could do for something with this much potential is take a mould from a real Miura. There again, there is the whole IVA thing now, which explains why the Diablo replica (in its later SE30 form) has eclipsed the Countach - in fact, can you buy a new Countach kit these days?

Lauren

PS - edit comments about Steve's car park for politeness

Spacenut
27-05-2010, 09:22 PM
No, the car park I worked on in Guildford was the one against the cliff - it has multiple tiered roofs cascading down in steps - won an award dont-cha-know. I didn't win an award - I just did the fascia bits on the various sticky-out bays on the building, and even then the local planners made us change the panel colours from blue to beige....

http://www.iharchitects.com/920-space-m ... dford.html (http://www.iharchitects.com/920-space-multi-story-carpark-guildford.html)

Funny - seemed like a lot of work at the time, now the detailing looks very simplistic and dull.

I hate concrete..... generally...... - if badly done anyway, e.g. the new Towner Art Gallery in Eastbourne - a brutalist (and largely empty) white box in which even the pathetic amounts of architectural detailing present have been done badly... Actually I think this may have been mentioned before - leading to some discussion on the excellent De La Warr Pavillion in Bexhill:

http://www.dlwp.com/building/default.htm

I still reckon that might make a superb backdrop for the Nova some day - although I would have to persuade them to let me take the car round to the good bit - the car park side is the ugly side.

Anyway, how is it that a genius painter like poor old Turner ended up associated with cr@p art and poor (to my admittedly out of step mind) architecture... ? There seem to be loads of rubbish white boxes named after Turner. Having said that I rather liked the concrete inside-out house which got the Turner prize a few years ago... Anyway, if I had to have "modern" I would want one of those Mondrian inspired Huf Houses:

http://www.huf-haus.com/gb/intro.html

An LP500 replica converted back to its pure shape is an intriguing idea - it would be interesting to see if the basic body shape is actually correct under all that "stuff".... I suspect not. I do appreciate that taking spoilers and the like off reduces the downforce considerably for high speed driving, but I don't care ! :D To me the LP400 has "it" in every respect whilst I wouldn't pause to look at an LP500. Well, maybe just a glance.

Thanks for the Cheetah Miura link - that does appear to be the only site with any decent photographs of the car. I think I would still be very tempted by the E-Bay one and I hope they get a price worthy of its unique status and obvious sentimental value.

Steve

100% with you on the De La Warr pavilion. Like the Huffy House a lot. Agree with badly designed modernism... and the Turner prize for art - or the Sterling prize for architecture (why do my favourite designs never win?)... but I do like my concrete brutalist monoliths... Corbusier, obviously, but also Niemeyer, Neutra, Lautner, Mies... all the greats :D

The trouble with the fibreglass Countach replicas is the wheelarch extensions and spoilers are moulded in, rather than tacked-on. So new panels would have to be fabricated to restore the original lines. Not an easy job, but possible. TBH, my favourite Countach remains "red #2", later painted green and the first spaceframe Countach, after the yellow prototype. Countach 002 still exists, currently in the Lamborghini museum at Sant Agata.

Did you notice there is a link to a Prova ZL page, where the owner has spent a small fortune on correct Campagnolo wheels, badges, interior etc. Then he replaced the inline Renault V6 with a Rover V8... oh dear. I know its got more cylinders, but somehow it seems a poor substitute for a screaming multi-cam Italian thoroughbred...

Lauren

Vasco Da Gamer
28-05-2010, 01:11 PM
Hi again

I absolutely love Niemeyer's stuff ! Pure Thunderbirds, I would not have called his work brutalist though.... I think of it as curvy and space age - he even bothers to do interiors with curves to match.

Not at all keen on Corbusier - now he has done some brutalist horrors - the Assembly Building at Chandigarh leaps to mind, plus he's one of those architects that tends to bung windows in without any apparent rhyme or reason (given that Georgian is my favourite period it is not surprising that I don't like that kind of thing)

Have you seen this Lego example of the house on stilts?:

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... s%3Disch:1 (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://muuuz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/0146-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://muuuz.com/2009/01/14/le-corbusier-en-lego/&usg=__BCIbWKWWWCLltwrbqvGoz9Gsvps=&h=667&w=800&sz=68&hl=en&start=2&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=MWsREw5heitVMM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcorbusier%2Barchitect%26um%3D1%26hl%3 Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1)

I have visited the real place, and really wasn't impressed, it is hard to say why since I do appreciate its interest value, but I found it utterly soulless.

Neutra: His stuff always makes me think of Jacques Tati's film "Mon Oncle", but at least he goes fairly easy on the giant unfinished concrete walls.

Lautner: WOW! Hadn't seen his work before (or at least had not picked up on the name); love it - another one apparently influenced by Tracey Island.... and again uses concrete in a very interesting way so I would not call what I saw on a brief search brutalist either - apart from a couple of very cold looking interiors.

Mies Van Der Rohe I am not so sweeping about - I like some of his stuff, dislike others. Definitely guilty of brutalism on a number of occasions though.

Thanks for that - I found lots of interesting things to look at when I should be working..... :wink:

On the Lambo kits - bum, ah well - not surprising that the body bits are all moulded in. I think that's why your favourite architectural designs never win Lauren - what you (and I generally) like is largely out of step with what is popular. For example, judging by "Grand Designs" what everyone wants IS an empty white box to live in. Personally I liked the Woodsman's cottage - which had a wonderful sculpted interior made from hay bales and plaster:

http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/gr ... 1_p_1.html (http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/grand-designs/episode-guides/sussex-the-woodman-s-cottage-08-06-11_p_1.html)

I could not find that link on the Prova ZL though, I will have another poke around - I don't really spend all my time at work posting ! On that, I brought the Nova to work for the first time today - looks great in the sunlight (from a distance anyway...). However, the bugger still keeps dying on me at junctions (would be OK if you could heel and toe - but you can't) and all the new mirrors are definitely rubbish - back to the drawing board there.

Steve

MicksRedNova
28-05-2010, 01:28 PM
However, the bugger still keeps dying on me at junctions (would be OK if you could heel and toe - but you can't)

Steve
Sounds like the slow running jet may be blocked. To save having to strip the carb down you could try the: "stuff a cloth over the carb" technique, i.e. take off air filter, using the lever on the carb get a few revs on, stuff a towel or similar large cloth thing in the mouth of the carb. This uses the engine 'suck' to clear any minor crap from the jets.
Make sure the cloth is large enough / robust enough to not be sucked in :whistling:

Mick

jimcub
28-05-2010, 03:23 PM
Like my sock up a hoover yesterday :nonono:

JemP
28-05-2010, 05:54 PM
No, the car park I worked on in Guildford was the one against the cliff - it has multiple tiered roofs cascading down in steps - won an award dont-cha-know. I didn't win an award - I just did the fascia bits on the various sticky-out bays on the building, and even then the local planners made us change the panel colours from blue to beige....

http://www.iharchitects.com/920-space-m ... dford.html (http://www.iharchitects.com/920-space-multi-story-carpark-guildford.html)

Funny - seemed like a lot of work at the time, now the detailing looks very simplistic and dull.

I hate concrete..... generally...... - if badly done anyway, e.g. the new Towner Art Gallery in Eastbourne - a brutalist (and largely empty) white box in which even the pathetic amounts of architectural detailing present have been done badly... Actually I think this may have been mentioned before - leading to some discussion on the excellent De La Warr Pavillion in Bexhill:

http://www.dlwp.com/building/default.htm

I still reckon that might make a superb backdrop for the Nova some day - although I would have to persuade them to let me take the car round to the good bit - the car park side is the ugly side.

Anyway, how is it that a genius painter like poor old Turner ended up associated with cr@p art and poor (to my admittedly out of step mind) architecture... ? There seem to be loads of rubbish white boxes named after Turner. Having said that I rather liked the concrete inside-out house which got the Turner prize a few years ago... Anyway, if I had to have "modern" I would want one of those Mondrian inspired Huf Houses:

http://www.huf-haus.com/gb/intro.html

An LP500 replica converted back to its pure shape is an intriguing idea - it would be interesting to see if the basic body shape is actually correct under all that "stuff".... I suspect not. I do appreciate that taking spoilers and the like off reduces the downforce considerably for high speed driving, but I don't care ! :D To me the LP400 has "it" in every respect whilst I wouldn't pause to look at an LP500. Well, maybe just a glance.

Thanks for the Cheetah Miura link - that does appear to be the only site with any decent photographs of the car. I think I would still be very tempted by the E-Bay one and I hope they get a price worthy of its unique status and obvious sentimental value.

Steve

I can lay claim to a bridge!! I was part of the design team for the Southern Link Road in Worcester, it was a design team which spanned 80 years, a lot further than the bridge!!

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/35/96/359627_5cf64f1d.jpg

Its a fantastic view in the rainy season, when the Severn bursts its banks and the road from Powick through to the bridge is surrounded by water, although not quite as picturesque as the beautiful setting of the county cricket ground

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_03/cricket081501_800x510.jpg


Rain Stopped Play!!!

And if you drive up the M5 from Strensham to Junction 4, then you're driving on my road widening! Years back it was only two lanes, and now its 3 :)

Back to the Muira - I imagine my offer has been refused :( but there again, it is a non-roadworthy car, and the value of a commodity isn't governed by its rarity, or else my avante would be worth a whole lot more than it is!!

Spacenut
28-05-2010, 06:56 PM
Here you go Steve...

http://www.lamboreplica.co.uk/gallery/G ... rova-Miura (http://www.lamboreplica.co.uk/gallery/Grahams-Prova-Miura)

Still not quite right, shape-wise, but interesting nonetheless. One thing I noticed on both the cars at Sandown was the nicely fabricated honeycomb grilles over the lower part of the rear valence. Apparently this grillework contributed to the expense of the kit. I've still got a copy of Which Kit? with the launch feature in. I tended to snap up any kit car issue with a mid-engined design in it :D

I like that bridge of yours, Jem! I've always been a fan of motorway architecture...

Lauren

JemP
28-05-2010, 07:15 PM
A good bit of Motorway Art used to be on the slip road that linked the M5 to the M6 North, on a pillar it read "Hit the North" and underneath someone had written "Get out and walk, its quicker"

I'm proud of that bridge, the two sides of the river differ in height by around 20 metres, so it took some designing, and a lot of building! The main problem these days is that come the rainy season, you're dodging photographers who stand in the middle of the road to get the perfect pic!!

Vasco Da Gamer
01-06-2010, 01:59 PM
Hi All - apologies for the late reply, have not been available for a few days.

JemP - Well a bridge - which I unfortunately can't see by the way - the image does not come up on my PC for some reason, although the flood shot does..... - is a much more impressive boast ! I can also lay claim to a Building Society corporate look and some Burger restaurants, but nothing as impressive as that :cry: These days I do pharmaceutical packaging for various supermarkets, which is even less impressive.... So are you going to up your offer for the car ?......

Lauren - thanks for the link, agreed - wrong in many ways, but still a good looking car - I would certainly own one, but would probably not go for the Miuraesque two tone paint since that emphasises the various stylistic errors. I think the gold paint on the car for sale suits it very well. I have a question on grilles after you mentioned them - for you or any other Nova owners. Do you have grilles in the "shoulder air intakes"? I don't and wondered how likely it is that scumbags will drop stuff in there.... Mine are functional by the way - wide bore pipes do lead to the air intake on the engine so small objects dropped in there might be fairly disastrous. The ones in front of the wheel arches are not functional at this time - there are pipes coming from them but they don't go anywhere and someone blocked them up with cloth.... I still hope to put remote air filters for the carb's behind them some day.

Mick - thanks for the tip, I will try it - on both carbs (it has twin dellortos) to see if any difference can be made. I suspect I may have to get an expert to look at it though, leaving aside the stalling problem the car judders constantly when not accelerating - either clutch judder (hope not; it's supposed to be a new Kennedy Stage 1) or odd tuning. The engine was built by "Superspeed" with high lift cams and all sorts so it might simply not be comfortable pootling along at 30 on Eastbourne's roads...

I've hijacked another thread.... really must stop doing that...

Steve

JemP
01-06-2010, 05:37 PM
Heavens no, I wouldnt bid again. Its a strange way of doing an ebay auction, offer what you think its worth over the ad price!! Its for sale for £1.00, so an offer of 60p ins't unreasonable, is it??

Spacenut
01-06-2010, 10:33 PM
I can also lay claim to... some Burger restaurants

I have a question on grilles after you mentioned them - for you or any other Nova owners. Do you have grilles in the "shoulder air intakes"? I don't and wondered how likely it is that scumbags will drop stuff in there.... Mine are functional by the way - wide bore pipes do lead to the air intake on the engine so small objects dropped in there might be fairly disastrous.

Hi Steve - John Lautner started off doing the frontage for a fast food chain called Googies - hence the association of his name with Googie architecture - I did see an example once, sort of Flintstones-meets-the-Jetsons, quite appealing really!

So with a chain of burger bars behind you, you would seem to have a great architectural future!

I used to have little mesh grilles on the intakes, but now they just disappear into convoluted trunking. Nobody has dropped anything down there yet. They do fill up with rainwater and one young observer suggested that was where I put the petrol :D

Lauren

Dirk
01-06-2010, 11:27 PM
one young observer suggested that was where I put the petrol :D

Lauren[/quote]

I was asked that question only last week :lmfao:

I don’t think the vents do anything in there natural state and I think the best thing to do is to put scoops over the top to direct the air into the engine bay, this would also stop any thing being dropped down. I want to fit hood to mine and then at least you can get a bit of air around the engine.

Dirk

Vasco Da Gamer
02-06-2010, 04:58 PM
Well you could at least have made it one pound sixty...... you don't want to offend the guy :wink: . I certainly think I would have put a reserve price on it to prevent silly bids.

I haven't had the petrol filler question yet, but several people have mentioned that the vents are just right as coke can holders..... Sadly, the most often asked question is "how fast does it go?" and "do you lie down in it?" .

I had a very quick look last night and reailised that there are holes in the convoluted piping at the point where it goes horizontal - allowing the water to drain away - the pipe then goes up a little to prevent the water going any further - nice and simple, the way I like it.

I like the simple flowing look of the open vents, so whilst I certainly agree that they are probably not especially functional I will keep them as is. If I get cooling problems then I will put the side pod vents back into action.

I can see the bridge picture now by the way - very impressive !!

Steve

Spacenut
02-06-2010, 06:47 PM
Hi Steve (and Dirk) - with regard to the effectiveness of the shoulder intakes, it really depends on what you want them to do. If its ram air cooling, I agree, they are not really effective. If it is cold air induction for the carbs, then the answer has to be yes, they are very effective. Trying to ram air into the carbs does not increase engine performance, unless you are using forced induction - the airflow will simply stall if the engine cannot take the volume of air. Cool air, on the other hand can improve engine performance by increasing the charge density. That's what I intend to use my intakes for... eventually. At the moment the hoses are ducted through to a point just besides the air filters, but I haven't boxed them in yet :D

How fast and how much does it cost are the two most regularly asked questions in the Nova lexicon!

Lauren

JemP
02-06-2010, 11:01 PM
Probably one of the grooviest burger restaurants I've been to is the Howard Johnsons at Asbury Park. I was on a Springsteen pilgrimage down there a few years back and stopped by, I was the only customer, the place was so run down it would have made more money if it had been closed! I saw a bottle of Lea and Perrins Worcester Sauce behind the bar, and asked the owner if I could see it, "see it? you can have it! that hasnt been used for 30 years!" I still have the bottle at home.

http://noweverthen.com/asbury/pryor/pav.jpg

I understand there was a small chain of these around New Jersey, and that the Asbury Park one has been renovated as part of the rebuilding of the place. It was all quite sad seeing the Palace knocked down, and the Casino in ruins, and the giant Exxon sign nowhere to be seen!!!

Vasco Da Gamer
03-06-2010, 12:11 AM
Now that IS a cool Burger Bar, I don't think my Uncle Sam's Hamburger Express in Chichester (the biggest one I did - now a chip shop I believe) quite lived up to that...

I was a rubbish architectural designer anyway - too young, too inexperienced - I was quickly made redundant when the crash hit at the end of the Thatcher era. God, I had just got my Spartan on the road then - that really brings home just how long I have been driving that car now. I remember gingerly taking it around all the wreckage on my way to work after the great storm of '87.

Still - one of my Uncle Sams' is still operating in Eastbourne today, although they watered the design down somewhat.... no doubt it was too expensive to produce in its original form.

Sounds like I might be better off using the side pods to induct air to the engine, but I will not know how effective current cooling is until I at last buy and fit some instruments (delayed by various mechanical problems on the Spartan). Lauren's engine bay is so open anyway I doubt she will have any cooling problems, boxed in ducting or not :D

Steve