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benherron
03-02-2011, 07:17 PM
Mate of mine sent me a few pics today of what he feels my interior should be aiming for...... thought id post them and see if anyone else has any 70s style interiors?

http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Alfa_Romeo_Carabo_Interior.jpg
http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/1972_ItalDesign_Maserati_Boomerang_Interior.jpg
http://www.jmooneyham.com/unfolded-rear-seat-mustang70.jpg

ChrisBailey
03-02-2011, 07:25 PM
I like the middle picture, you would never see over the wheel though.
I dont think it would be that difficult to create an interior like those, you just need a creative mind and plenty of polyester resin and body filler.
Steve will tell you exactly how to make something as in your face radical as that!
liquid dreams he calls it :cool1:

Alzax3
03-02-2011, 08:41 PM
Didn't the middle one have some sort of chain-drive arangement from the steering-wheel? I seem to remember that Lauren has chapter and verse on the details........The first one is quite neatly sparse, but I think all you'd see out of a Nova with that set-up would be the reflections of the dials!

Spacenut
03-02-2011, 09:16 PM
Top image is the Alfa Carabo - great on the outside, but lacking something in interior design. Bertone (well, Gandini at any rate) were never very good at that. The instruments were arranged along the base of the windscreen and illuminated only when required by pressing a button on the steering wheel. And yes, very, very reflective!

Second image is the Maserati Boomerang - one of Giugiaros best efforts, from the acknowledged master of interior design!

Alex is absolutely right, the steering was by chain drive on this car. The speedo drive cable went through the steering column to the centrally located speedometer dial, with the ancilliary guages from the Bora donor arranged around it. This differs from the original (non-running) version of the car, which had a large 180 combined speed/rpm dial in the top half of the binnacle, with the ancilliary guages in the lower half.

Boomerang was an experiment to see just how flat a windscreen could be. I believe the angle is a mere 15 from horizontal.

I don't recognise the rear seats in the third image, but I'm guessing a Lotus Elite/Eclat?

I can't remember the name of the outfit, but a Canadian modifier (who was also responsible for the Black Moon movie car) produced a custom Sterling with the Boomerang instrument binnacle, amongst other supercar plagiarisms (like the flaky pastry light covers on Carabo)...

The steering binnacle was designed to provide maximum safety by allowing 100% visibility of all of the instruments, all of the time, together with the offset chain-drive steering.

Now what was the name of that Canadian car...?

letterman7
04-02-2011, 04:14 AM
Can't tell you the name, but it was designed by a pneumatics engineer. Here's a walk-through video: http://www.karamfamily.ca/video---1974- ... -nova.html (http://www.karamfamily.ca/video---1974-sterling-nova.html) and photos of the outside of the car: http://www.karamfamily.ca/1970-sterling-nova.html Phil Karam told me that the entire car has pneumatic power - steering, canopy, suspension and a couple other things I can't remember. This guy also owns one of the Probe 16's... actually, he told me he owns 2 - the second is being restored. And he won't sell any of the cars in his collection... I've talked with him a couple of times on the phone and he was very adamant about keeping everything in the family, even though he said "most of the collection is in the back yard under tarps". :facepalm: :coat: Watch his video "living in Ottowa, part 2" for a TV interview with Phil.

CyCo
04-02-2011, 01:39 PM
And here I was going to suggest the Bernardi. Damn, never seen that car. Awesome!!


:cool1:

Peter
04-02-2011, 04:24 PM
Do what most of us do, sit down with a load of paper and a biro and scribble ideas untill you hit on one that you like based on what you had in mind to start with, gain insperation from other cars by all means but end up with your own take on it. THEN work out the technical aspects such as structure, construction method, finish, etc.
My first dash in the SS was with three dials (speed, tacho and multi (fuel, temp volt)) from the Triumph range set in the centre above the centre consul/handbrake cover and I wish I had kept it now with the 'retro' theme being very 'in' now days. Be prepared to change the design, a lot, as you progress and new ideas come along. Built in seats look better than after market sports seats or OEM car seats adapted to fit but are a LOT of work to get looking right. The back part of a REAR seat with the squabs from the front seats might be a thing to look at. I just thought of that, Hmmmm

Spacenut
04-02-2011, 05:52 PM
Can't tell you the name, but it was designed by a pneumatics engineer

You don't say... man, that is a lot of pneumatics. Thanks for the link - Bernard Beaujardins was the guy I was trying to remember (I kept thinking of Beaulieu or Beaujolais...), and the company was Wingho Auto Classique in Montreal.

The Black Moon car was the Concordia II. Kwok was the other main man at Wingho apparently. Some of the ideas are very good, and I think that his pneumatic canopy is the best working example of its type, but the plumbing for the accumulator, compressor (noisy as a Smiths hydraulic pump) and the oddities of a pneumatic exterior keyswitch would I think pall after a while! Now, if it was also capable of lifting the front over speed bumps...

"Chain drive is not as direct", says Dr Kwok. That on top of a VW steering box I am suspecting it wonders around a bit on the freeway!

I heard that Karam had one of the three Probe 16s, but I didn't realise he had another example. So that leaves just one left in the UK, which I believe is AB/4, the car actually used in ACO... but now confusingly painted red, like Karam's car.

Probe 16 or 2001? Its just so difficult to decide... :D

letterman7
04-02-2011, 06:02 PM
From what Karam said to me, Kwok had a thing for exotics, and was teaching some sort of college course that this Nova came to be a test subject in. Apparently the class assembled the car and pneumatics (sort of a vo-tech thing, I guess). But alas, it's sitting in his back yard and by his accounts, the paint is "starting to fail and will need attention". :cry: So sad.

Spacenut
04-02-2011, 07:32 PM
That is a shame :(

CyCo
05-02-2011, 12:25 AM
You don't say... man, that is a lot of pneumatics. Thanks for the link - Bernard Beaujardins was the guy I was trying to remember (I kept thinking of Beaulieu or Beaujolais...), and the company was Wingho Auto Classique in Montreal.

I wonder if there's a relationship between the Wingho Auto Classique, and Fortvac Cars Canada Inc, also in Montreal.

Bernard Beaujardins = Bernardi?

But did any Bernardi's actually hit the road. Now there's something to get a hold of!!

letterman7
05-02-2011, 03:03 AM
Yes they did - only one. And it's been on sale here on eBay for the last three months: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Ma ... 2eb2faba95 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1986-Fortvac-Bernardi-/200571271829?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eb2faba95)

benherron
04-04-2011, 03:18 PM
Few more pics of concept interiors that cardesignnews posted up in a Bertone auction article.

Chevy Corvair Testudo
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/benherron/chevy-corvair-testudo-003.jpg

Lancia Stratos HF zero
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/benherron/lancia-stratos-hf-zero-003.jpg

Lamborghini Bravo
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/benherron/224648_66_preview.jpg

Nic
04-04-2011, 05:22 PM
Few more pics of concept interiors that cardesignnews posted up in a Bertone auction article.
Lancia Stratos HF zero
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/benherron/lancia-stratos-hf-zero-003.jpg

Well that's kinda cool. I like the idea of a big display like that. These days, that's VERY doable with the availability of flat panel screens and monitors, car pc's and OBD readers.