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jayvanman
07-07-2011, 07:14 AM
Hi,

this will be my 1st post on here so hello to everyone from your latest newbie.

I have been into the VW scene for about 4 years now but it is almost all Splitscreen. In that time I have imported 3 from the U.S. 2 splits and one baywindow with a 911 engine and I have bought 2 in the UK.

I also on a mad whim bought a Siva which is another beetle based Kit car, only 12 kits were sold, one is driving around in Portugal, another was bought by a teacher as a project for his class and my one is in bits waiting for me to finish my 2 split projects, which hopefully won't be long.

I am looking forward to reading the leasons learnt section to see what I can learn from other peoples mistakes and maybe use them on the Saluki.

But of course I am interested in getting a Nova, or perhaps I should say another Nova.

Many moons ago I bought a Nova but sadly it turned out to be a bad experience but even so I do think they are a thing of beauty and would dearly love to own one again. I don't think it will be this year as I have too many projects but maybe next year, even so if you know of one that is black and for sale at a reasonable price then I could interested.

Here's a couple of pictures of the Saluki, one with the gull wing doors on and the perspex windows in (neither are connected) and the other is how it really is. I think there is great potential to turn it into really retro, I am thinking of what the people from the 60/70's thought of "the car of the future" or what the future would be like, all you have to do is think "Logans Run", "Space1999" so on and so forth.

Jayvanman

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/jayvanman/savi%20saluki/026.jpg

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/jayvanman/savi%20saluki/SivaSaluki006.jpg

NovaF4
07-07-2011, 02:54 PM
Cue Lauren...

Big Birds Car
07-07-2011, 09:14 PM
Yep Lauren will be on soon with chapter and verse of probably all the retro things you could incorporate in your build, you have been warned. :clapping:

Peter
07-07-2011, 10:08 PM
Isn't that a Charger?
Anyway, welcome aboard. :groupwave:

Dirk
07-07-2011, 10:25 PM
welcome :clapping:

I thought it was a charger do you know any of its history?

Dirk

CyCo
08-07-2011, 09:00 AM
I was going to say Charger too. I'm sure Lauren will set us all to right. :laugh:

Oh,

:welcome:

jayvanman
08-07-2011, 10:38 AM
I bought it off ebay blind from a breakers as it was only just down the road from me, it was sold as a siva saluki. I googled it and found out about the kits and how many were sold and where they ended up.

Somewhere along the line I did see pictures and read up a bit on Chargers and I agree they are very similar, don't know maybe it is ?

I'm looking forward to hearing from Lauren :-)

J

JemP
08-07-2011, 06:33 PM
I think thats a Charger, if its a Siva Saluki then its a rare beast, with only 12 made. Have you got any pics of the rear of the car?

jayvanman
09-07-2011, 12:21 AM
Just for you JemP, maybe you know the difference between the 2 ?

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/jayvanman/savi%20saluki/028.jpg

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/jayvanman/savi%20saluki/027.jpg

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/jayvanman/savi%20saluki/SivaSaluki005.jpg

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/jayvanman/savi%20saluki/029.jpg

jayvanman
09-07-2011, 12:50 AM
Ah Yes JemP, I see what you are getting at. it looks like Ive got a charger there .

CyCo
09-07-2011, 08:03 AM
There's a Charger running around regional NSW here in Oz, running some Subaru donk. There were a couple of videos up on YouTube. Can't find them now.

caterham7
09-07-2011, 08:20 AM
A quick search on eBay throws up many Siva's.

There's one in need of restoration here for a starting bid of 79p
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290583539473

Or one in concours condition for under 20!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MATCHBOX-SUPERFAST-41-Siva-Spyder-Mint-I1-Box-/250850996676?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_Dieca stVehicles_JN&hash=item3a67e271c4

:facepalm:



There is an article in this Custom Car magazine on the Siva Saluki - you can enlarge the picture slightly.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Custom-Car-Sep-1973-Ford-RS2000-Jeep-Siva-Saluki-/350412747500?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item51963a32ec



I had my eye on a couple of chargers for sale recently, but the guy originally wanted way too much for them - just seen the paint job on this, and quite liked it.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MATCHBOX-SF-STREAKERS-41d-SIVA-SPYDER-EXC-FREE-P-P-/300560671912?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_Dieca stVehicles_JN&hash=item45facfe4a8

Spacenut
09-07-2011, 05:18 PM
Hi Jayvan, welcome to the Euro Nova forum. I have to agree with my learned colleagues here, it looks like you have got a Charger, which of course was derived from the original Siva Saluki. As far as I can tell, based on contemporary photographs (which are not surprisingly quite hard to come by), the differences between the two cars are as follows:

The Saluki had pop-up headlights with 7" round lamp units, no front spoiler, at least some of the cars did not have flared wheelarches and the side glazing extended further down towards the sills, so that the quarterlight was completely triangular. The nose also has a different treatment, which was typical of Trickett's other designs at the time (S160 and S530 both shared the same "corporate" style). The rear window was also vertically mounted in a tunnelback arrangement.

I do quite like the Saluki (and by association, the Charger), but more for what they could have been, rather than what they were, if you see what I mean. Flush glazing and a fully trimmed out interior (with a properly designed dashboard) would make a big difference IMHO.

The Charger was originally called the Chapeko and made by MBC cars (later Embesea - geddit?). Later it was renamed the Charger, later the Charger I to distinguish it from the larger Charger II, a 2+2 derivative, later taken over by MDB Sportscars and marketed as the Saratoga (I think), together with Charger II (renamed the Saturn) and the GP Centron, of all things. Even DJ Sportscars owned the rights to manufacture at one point, although how many were made is a matter of conjecture. One thing is certain - they not be as rare as the Saluki (12 made, as you say), but they aren't that commonplace either!

Good luck with the build - I think it could be a really nice car if its done right.

Lauren

Big Birds Car
09-07-2011, 05:33 PM
See, knew she would be along at some point.

Where have you been Lauren are you finally getting some hours in on the green machine?

Spacenut
09-07-2011, 06:08 PM
Hi BBC - nothing as pleasant I'm afraid - been rather busy at work, that's all - and being on-call 24/7 doesn't help, especially as I am transport-less without the Green Machine (unless you count the bicycle of course, which I don't if the journey is more than 10 miles). Still, it pays the bills I suppose :thumbup:

Anyway, Green Machine is booked in for its MoT next week, fingers crossed the last 6 months of work will be worthwhile...

Lauren

jayvanman
10-07-2011, 11:33 AM
AH there you are Lauren !

are you the font of all knowledge :-)

thanks for the info, especially the bit abot the windows and dash.

At this point the build really is an open book, I don't have a budget in mind but I plan on doing most of it myself, so of course will be asking plenty of question along the way.

I want to have some really special features like fingerprint entry system ( that must be available by now somewhere, we have face recognition on lap tops now ), remote start, voice activated something or other don't know what but i'm pretty sure I want it.

as regards the design of the interior or materials to use I would very much appreciate all your input. The more input I have the more ideas I can come up with and then ask how to do it so please if you have any photo's of an interior or 70's style post them up, ( mini tv sliding out from the dash, hmmm, maybe sat nav ?) come on guys get creative it's your chance to influence the design of the interior of a Charger.

J

JemP
10-07-2011, 12:50 PM
You're probably better off making decisions on what you want the car to look like yourself. One mans creativity is another mans errrrr.......not creativity. Go with what you want, have a look a photos of other Chargers online, and see if you can look at Chargers at any kit car events. There used to be a huge gallery of photos of interiors of Novas on the website but take a look online and see what you like. Then think about what you can achieve based on money and skills.
Work on the basics before the fancies, get it mechanically sound, make sure the door mechanism is all working properly, I don't know what the hinge is like on a Charger, but they sound a bit complex on an Eagle and prone to having a few problems. The guy who rebuilt the Warp8 kitcar did a great job on his doors, build complete new frames and hinges, and incorporating production car latch mechanisms inside and out. Forgive the slight apprehension, but talk of TV's sliding out of dashboards soon after a Charger has been saved from scrap bring on strong deja vu. I know of one Nova which has been off the road for years, and may never make it to the tarmac, but its got a few grand of digital ICE fitted! My own Avante spent a good couple of years getting nowhere because of me fannying around with fancy things, then I got a kick up the backside from Bushboy! Now the Avante has an MOT, is driveable whenever I want, even though the dash is presently a chunk of fibreglass with a Nova pod in the middle. I'm presently looking at fitting a production dash, either TR7 or Ford Escort as I've seen both of them fitted into similar cars (Karmas) but thats a big project for a later date.
To be honest, with interiors you can do whatever you like, a useful website for research is http://rolledon.forummotion.com/ Its aimed at people doing a roll on paint job like me, but the "interior" section shows some interiors being rebuilt in wood and fibreglass, it shows the technique used. There are other websites showing how to fibreglass a custom interior, so its worth googling to see what you can find.

jayvanman
10-07-2011, 02:51 PM
Thanks JemP, and yes talk off fancy stuff before the mechanics is probably the wrong way around but I have learnt from past mistakes and know I am just fantasizing or should I say getting some ideas in my head so I've got some inspiration.

I have enough projects to keep my busy until the end of the summer but I plan on buying a complete beetle chassis with all the work done so it will be, in theory, it should be-get doors sorted, glass, handles etc, body off, prep, paint, fit onto new chassis and glass, make dash and then then electrics and fancy stuff. wow just writing than down has made me realise what a big job it is but I'm looking forward to getting stuck in.

Thanks for the link I will have a look.

Jason

Spacenut
10-07-2011, 05:44 PM
Hi Jay - completely agree with Jem, you need to get the basics done first. Sort the chassis, running gear, engine, glass (you've got some I hope?), bodywork and seats, get a ticket on it and see where you go from there. Most bystanders will be gobsmacked whatever level of technology is employed. Its just an outrageous shape. There will always be those that dismiss the car as "VW sh!t", as I have heard people refer to mine, and they will not be convinced otherwise no matter what you do.

As for the interior design, have a look at what others have done, but keep an open mind - it may look amazing, but the reflections in the windscreen could make driving at night (or even during the day) a nightmare. They may also lack suitable ventilation, and/or heating and demisting facilities. This applies to many larger exotic car manufacturers as well; ergonomics have not been a priority until quite recently for Lambos and Fezzas, etc.

From what I recall of the Saluki design the dashboard left a great deal to the imagination of the builder. I feel that very small, closed-in cockpits benefit from a feeling of space inside, so a central instrument binnacle at the base of the windscreen, with some digital instruments perhaps, would provide a suitably futuristic look. You need to be very careful about reflections though - tunnel the displays deeply!

Lauren

thestevie
11-07-2011, 11:10 AM
here is something you will like
http://www.automobile-security.com/products.htm

Spacenut
11-07-2011, 11:52 AM
Oooh! I like the wristwatch control, that's neat!

...Although it might be worth remembering the apocryphal tale of the thieves who stole a high-end Merc with fingerprint recognition and had to amputate the finger of the owner in order to get it started...

Lauren

Peter
11-07-2011, 04:57 PM
[quote="SpacenutI feel that very small, closed-in cockpits benefit from a feeling of space inside, so a central instrument binnacle at the base of the windscreen, with some digital instruments perhaps, would provide a suitably futuristic look. You need to be very careful about reflections though - tunnel the displays deeply! Lauren[/quote]

Dunno what you mean Lauren, :whistling:

Must admit the dash was red to start with but glare was horrible in the sun, :cool1: so in the immortal words of Barmy Winehouse, "back to Black". Need to decide the colour of the under panels though, red or continue with the black and with a black or alloy dividing strip (as shown)??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Ukhozi/dash11junly11.jpg

I know just how frustrating it can be wanting to get your personal stamp on a car but take the advice of us all and get the nuts and bolts sorted first or you will end up with an expensive garden ornament.

jayvanman
11-07-2011, 11:24 PM
Thanks agin for the input and especially the link to the fingerprint systems, I wasn't sure if they existed or how much they cost and now I do, great stuff.

Had a cracking day today, got my splitscreen running again so just the interior and touch up paint job and to come home to find this out is just the icing on the cake.

I appreciate the comments about nuts and bolts 1st and I'd just like to say - I know. I bought a Nova many many moons ago, a black one and the number plate had FUG in it, anybody know what happened to that ? It was an absolute disaster and cost a lot of money to be a garden ornament, not because of the fancy stuff done 1st but more to do with the people who worked on it, he owned Nova and lived in Essex, the name Graham seems to ring a bell.

Anyway that's all in the past and the future is bright and a lot of fun, fun with fingerprint entry and voice activated systems, how ever all that is a long way off. I've 2 splitscreens to finish and a Charger to restore.

Thanks for the tips on burying the dials it is something I wouldn't have known, I guess I'll be making a few mock ups before the final article.

please keep the tips and advice coming.

If any of you would like to get to know me and my skills a little better have a read of these, they are my splitscreen projects. The 1st link is for a camper that will hopefully be on the market by at the end of the week and teh other is mine which I plan to get her back together and fit back the old and worn hippy interior-tassels and everything.

J

http://www.ssvc.org.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=70593

http://www.ssvc.org.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=59380

thestevie
12-07-2011, 02:48 AM
hmmm
My wife keeps telling me how much we need a new family car.
the mark viii isn't big enough for two kids...
I might have to look for a slipscreen.

since the two you have look good.

Spacenut
12-07-2011, 05:26 PM
It was an absolute disaster and cost a lot of money to be a garden ornament, not because of the fancy stuff done 1st but more to do with the people who worked on it, he owned Nova and lived in Essex, the name Graham seems to ring a bell.

That would be Graham Slayford, who bought the Nova project from the Elams (who were known as TFS at the time I think). Slayford did offer to build complete cars, as well as renovate older ones, but as usual the plans were bigger than the budget. I bought a sunroof from the Slayfords and it basically dropped through the hole in my canopy (which had a much larger sunroof fitted), not their fault as the specification was different, but even so the refund cheque bounced three times which wasn't a good start. In spite of this, Slayford was still talking about a Cortina based chassis for the Nova (seeing the Ford version of the Eagle, I'm really glad that it didn't come to fruition), and offering to build any kit car, not just the Nova. But it wasn't enough, and the Nova project went into receivership around 1993...

Lauren

essexdave
12-07-2011, 09:18 PM
Graham Slayford :scared: ........... my nervous twitch is coing back.

jayvanman
08-03-2012, 01:20 PM
Ok guys,

well I am getting somewhere with the camper, but still taking way too long . I still have my camper to get on the road after I have sold this one I'm finishing and after spending nearly 2 years playing with mechanincs and making bespoke interiors I thing I've had my fill for now and want to go and enjoy the summer in my camper so

this one is up for sale

anybody interested ?

I am putting my phone number on here for the sole reason that you can call me and talk to me in about 10 seconds time if you wish.

or you could send me a pm or something and wait an age and wonder why I don't respond ?

10seconds or weeks maybe months, maybe even miss out

your call ( no pun intended :) )

Jason 07861 246 433