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Alzax3
16-07-2011, 07:08 PM
Red - can't see if the screen is intact, doesn't sound like it's ever been registered so it's probably only good for spares........

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Eagle-SS-kit-car- ... 1c1d4badc4 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Eagle-SS-kit-car-spares-/120750583236?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c1d4badc4)

CyCo
17-07-2011, 03:43 AM
Interesting user name. lol

Peter
17-07-2011, 06:51 PM
I have asked if it has a good screen and a V5, otherwise, bits and pieces, bits and pieces, :bye2: sing along now. Watch this space for further earth shattering announcements :shock:

Peter
17-07-2011, 07:01 PM
No V5 sadly means another write off unless it passes the VOSA, no chance, I wish the DVLA would get their act together and allow us to build from scratch and get them on the road without this stupid OTT VOSA test, it is sooo, not needed. This is about the sixth SS this year that can't be registered :cry: and the black one is another. :please: Screen is good though :clapping:

JemP
19-07-2011, 08:45 AM
I agree with you Peter, it is such a shame that so many old kits are falling through the cracks like this. I was watching this Karma on ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FAMOUS-MAKE-K ... 740wt_1139 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FAMOUS-MAKE-KIT-CAR-/280710713502?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item415ba9909e#ht_740wt_1139)

Nice looking model with a transverse CVH engine it seems. Its never been registered, and will therefore need to go through IVA - I have no idea if a Karma would struggle with IVA, but I for one wouldnt want to be the first to find out, and at an entry price of £450 to factor in, it is just making these kits into scrap or spares only.

Mind you its just as hard for modified production cars - heres a write up of whats needed to get a Mk1 Mini (albeit with a bike engine, but the body is standard) through IVA.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FAMOUS-MAKE-K ... 740wt_1139 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FAMOUS-MAKE-KIT-CAR-/280710713502?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item415ba9909e#ht_740wt_1139)

CyCo
19-07-2011, 02:35 PM
Nice Karma. Though that second link takes us to the Karma again, not the Mini.

JemP
20-07-2011, 11:18 AM
Good point, I forgot to copy and paste, such is my dismay that a perfectly decent Karma will probably never hit the roads

Big Birds Car
20-07-2011, 10:20 PM
If any of these kits use the floor pan, front and rear suspension and engine without modification then they DON'T need IVA just a quick inspection at the local dvla office to prove the chassis number and engine number, you then have a month to get it mot'd after which the registration document is changed to reflect the "new" body and you should retain the original reg and if dated, historic tax.

I'm currently re-bodying a triumph spitfire with a 1923 model T body, works all done just need to book in the inspection and see what happens. The spitfire change is a little more complicated as Triumph used a "chassis number" that was actually the chassis build number, they also had a seperate body build number so the dvla use the commission number as a chassis number, this is pop riveted to the body so me taking it off and pop riveting it to the glassfibre model T body could be questioned, although it is all genuine. Still will be a few weeks off due to other items happening but will let you all know how it goes.

JemP
21-07-2011, 01:06 AM
Yes, but these arent Beetle based, they're sitting on the original manufacturers custom chassis, so they will need IVA. Remember these were all manufactured way before SVA, when it was pretty much a free for all, I remember building the Spartan, the only debate was whether it would be Q plated or retain the Cortina registration plate. The debate lasted 5 minutes on my drive as the lady who came to inspect it just said what a nice colour it was! I think the inspection was simply to see if the car actually existed, nothing was looked at apart from the old Cortina VIN plate which I'd pop riveted onto the Spartan chassis.

Big Birds Car
21-07-2011, 03:20 PM
I didn't realise that the Karma kit had it's own chassis I thought it was like the majority of Eagle SS's and was beetle based. That particular Karma would need a fair amount of work to get registered and would need IVA testing which as you say is close on £500 plus a further £95 per re-test (more failures first time than passes FACT).

But back to the SS, it isn't dead in the water IF someone wants to take the time to do it, and we already know the screen isn't that big an issue (about the same as the IVA test moneywise but as you wouldn't need to go through IVA then the screen could be looked at as free :clapping: ).

JemP
21-07-2011, 05:38 PM
Most Karma kits were beetle based, apart from all the ones I'm interested in buying! If it had been Q plated I'd have bought it. I suppose it might be cheaper to buy another Q plated wreck of a Karma and......................but that would be naughty!

Spacenut
21-07-2011, 09:18 PM
There was a mid-engine chassis available for the Karma that used various Cortina and Renault 30 parts, but it was a very poor design and did not in any way outsell the VW chassis cars.

The better JH Classics Dino replicas obviously have a much more accomplished chassis (never been offered for VW), originally for Lancia twin-cam, but more recently Alfa V6 engines...

Lauren

Peter
22-07-2011, 11:26 AM
Problem is the regs and specs in the test, there are so many things that would not comply that it would mean a major re-working of the car from the edge on the chin spoiler to the height of the lights, I am told the biggest one, (and I stand to be corrected) could you exit the car if it was inverted? In both SS and Nova it's a no. I have communicated with Steve of the black SS on Ebay and he thought it was just a matter of build quality and as an aircraft tech' thought he would have no problems building to the required standard, (took it a bit personally) of course it has little to do with HOW you build it but rather WHAT you build. Unless you want to spend a LOT of money getting it tested, failed, reworked to pass, fail again, re-worked, possible pass, etc. then if the car is without a registration number, V5 and correctly registered as a Nova or Eagle, (we know it can't be changed now) etc it's a dead un. Has ANYONE got a Nova SS etc through the IVA yet? I don't remember seeing it on here.
Regards chassis, if it has a VW, Citroen, OEM ladder chassis (e.g. Triumph, Land Rover) then it USED to be able to register it new as a re-bodied VW, etc, on a Q plate as I did in 1995, then they insisted it was registered as the kit name, Nova, Eagle, Lomax, etc but this option and the retrospective amnesty has long passed with the introduction of the SVA. If the chassis is a custom one then the car must be subjected to the test anyway. These days a SS on an 100% original VW chassis and a SS on a custom Eagle / Ford chassis plus donor, would both have to be subjected to the same tests, bloody stupid isn’t it?

Spacenut
22-07-2011, 12:43 PM
I agree it is stupid. What also annoys me is the double standards applied to "proper" car manufacturers which allow them to be exempted from such restrictions. Like Koenigsegg with their modified coleopter doors for example - or at a more mundane level, Citroen's use of hydraulic parking brakes which necessitated a change in the rules to allow them to sell their cars in the UK. I see neither of these exemptions being offered to the home constructor.

Lauren

JemP
22-07-2011, 02:30 PM
Took the words out of my mouth Lauren!. I didnt realise that for MOT, a vehicle needs just two rear view mirrors, this can be two outside mirrors or a internal rear view mirror and a drivers door mirror. But for IVA a rear view mirror must be fitted, even if there is no visibility out of the mirror to the back!!!
I've never found the item about the door opening if the car is inverted in the IVA, is it an urban myth?

JemP
22-07-2011, 02:54 PM
Problem is the regs and specs in the test, there are so many things that would not comply that it would mean a major re-working of the car from the edge on the chin spoiler to the height of the lights, I am told the biggest one, (and I stand to be corrected) could you exit the car if it was inverted? In both SS and Nova it's a no. I have communicated with Steve of the black SS on Ebay and he thought it was just a matter of build quality and as an aircraft tech' thought he would have no problems building to the required standard, (took it a bit personally) of course it has little to do with HOW you build it but rather WHAT you build. Unless you want to spend a LOT of money getting it tested, failed, reworked to pass, fail again, re-worked, possible pass, etc. then if the car is without a registration number, V5 and correctly registered as a Nova or Eagle, (we know it can't be changed now) etc it's a dead un. Has ANYONE got a Nova SS etc through the IVA yet? I don't remember seeing it on here.
Regards chassis, if it has a VW, Citroen, OEM ladder chassis (e.g. Triumph, Land Rover) then it USED to be able to register it new as a re-bodied VW, etc, on a Q plate as I did in 1995, then they insisted it was registered as the kit name, Nova, Eagle, Lomax, etc but this option and the retrospective amnesty has long passed with the introduction of the SVA. If the chassis is a custom one then the car must be subjected to the test anyway. These days a SS on an 100% original VW chassis and a SS on a custom Eagle / Ford chassis plus donor, would both have to be subjected to the same tests, bloody stupid isn’t it?

A SS on an original VW chassis would not be subject to IVA so long as it scores 8 points, and its pretty difficult not to get a radically altered vehicle on a VW chassis NOT to score 8 points - you're going to get 5 for the original chassis (which is obligatory), 2 for the suspension and 2 for the axles without even trying - there's 9 points :)

Big Birds Car
22-07-2011, 04:55 PM
As Jemp said at the moment you can get a car re-classified if basically all you are doing is re-bodying so a VW based Eagle SS is still very much a viable proposition.

To re-body all you need to do is take the old body off, put the new one on, ensure that the identity numbers are visible and not messed with, put the details on a couple of forms and get it inspected by the local DVLA office, (take loads of photo's when dismantling the donor car and what you do) the car does not need to be road legal at this point, does not need an interior, legal tyres or anything, they are not bothered with the build quality or Construction and use, however, once inspected you then have a month to get an MOT on it by using the chassis number that the DVLA people have seen (not the registration number), you then need to get insurance, again via the chassis number only and not the reg number, you go armed with the above plus (I think) £55 plus tax money (unless historic) and they give you either the old number or an age related number (neither of which will be transferable numbers). Then off to the number plate supplier, get the plates made, fit, tell the insurance company the new or old number and all is done, Legal.

Now the crunch, this could all change when the local DVLA offices close next year and then the identity checks will be dealt with by the Police and VOSA at which point there could well be changes and the above might not be ok, so if thinking of doing an Eagle or a Nova do it NOW!!

One last thing and I know I have gone on about this in the past OFTEN, get your Nova's legally documented as with the tighter MOT's there will be more restrictions on what will and what won't be MOT'able.

Peter
23-07-2011, 04:48 PM
A SS on an original VW chassis would not be subject to IVA so long as it scores 8 points, and its pretty difficult not to get a radically altered vehicle on a VW chassis NOT to score 8 points - you're going to get 5 for the original chassis (which is obligatory), 2 for the suspension and 2 for the axles without even trying - there's 9 points :)


Page in question

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... DG_4022486 (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022486)

crunch line
Following a successful IVA inspection and DVLA local office assessment, a 'Q' registration mark will be allocated.

and http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... G_10014246 (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014246)

Kit Conversions

This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration certificate.

A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.

Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.

In other words, it needs a test.

Big Birds Car
23-07-2011, 07:13 PM
In other words, it needs a test.

No it bloody doesn't!!! I'm currently doing a re-body for a hot rod as have other hotrodders using the system as stated above. Look on the NSRA site and you will see what is required, written by a guy who to date has re-bodied four chassis equiped cars, ACE.org have also given me a load of info as to how to go about it and as these are people who have actually done the job rather than read about it I trust their information.
It is not all doom and gloom just yet but will get worse fairly soon.

JemP
23-07-2011, 09:35 PM
A SS on an original VW chassis would not be subject to IVA so long as it scores 8 points, and its pretty difficult not to get a radically altered vehicle on a VW chassis NOT to score 8 points - you're going to get 5 for the original chassis (which is obligatory), 2 for the suspension and 2 for the axles without even trying - there's 9 points :)


Page in question

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... DG_4022486 (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022486)

crunch line
Following a successful IVA inspection and DVLA local office assessment, a 'Q' registration mark will be allocated.

and http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... G_10014246 (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014246)

Kit Conversions

This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration certificate.

A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.

Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.

In other words, it needs a test.

Yes but thats for kit conversions, for radically altered vehicles vehicles, you need to click the link under that bit about it needing a test - this one

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... G_10014199 (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199)

No IVA needed

"The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA), enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated"

Without this page, every single pick-up, every single ambulance, fire tender, and vintage Rolls Royce (in fact any car built on a chassis if not already registered) would need a IVA. In Practical Classics at the moment they are building an Austin 7, and have taken the saloon body off the chassis and replaced it with a custom open sports body - not a problem, and doesnt need IVA, because the vehicles identity is with the chassis, not the body type.

Big Birds Car
24-07-2011, 11:48 AM
Better put than me,


Without this page, every single pick-up, every single ambulance, fire tender, and vintage Rolls Royce (in fact any car built on a chassis if not already registered) would need a IVA. In Practical Classics at the moment they are building an Austin 7, and have taken the saloon body off the chassis and replaced it with a custom open sports body - not a problem, and doesnt need IVA, because the vehicles identity is with the chassis, not the body type.

The local DVLA will then inspect the car's identity and if they are happy they will then change the registration document to say "open sports" or whatever the builder wants to call it. If an Eagle or Nova then the registration will have to change from Volkswagen to something else. In the past it may have said vw sports or similar, this is no longer allowed as the car is now altered beyond the vw look and so would need to be something along the lines of MAKE: Eagle MODEL: SS or something that you want to call it.
Perhaps a better example is the one I'm currently doing, currently a Triumph Spitfire but now with a 23 model T Ford hot rod body on it. I can no longer call it a Triumph and I'm not allowed to call it a Ford, however I can call it a Jago or Wimble or any name of a manufacturer that made the body and then under model I can put 23T or hotrod. You can call it whatever you like so long as it does not refer to a mainstream manufacturer.


There are a few anomallies that don't sit well for me with the above and the removal of some vehicles identities, one of them is that to me it shouldn't be the chassis that keeps the whole identity, by this I mean that the look should be what counts to a certain degree, for example a massivley modified Ford pop that still looks like a Ford pop, will loose its reg because it has less than the 8 points rule, on the other hand a VW beetle has to change it's identity when you put a different body on it but keeps the reg of the original beetle because of the 8 points rule? The Ford still looks like a Ford the beetle no longer does, which is correct.
In the states the body has the identity, my Vette chassis does not have a number on it but the body has the chassis number on it, even my Suburban and Chevy Blazer (a bit more up to date vehicles) have the VIN number in the windscreen, there may well be other numbers on the chassis of them but I have yet to see them so they are not that obvious.
Oooops better sod off the soap box. Sorry.

JemP
24-07-2011, 12:18 PM
Yep, the key thing is that your car will retain its original identity, which is linked to the chassis and the VIN. Its linked to the chassis based solely on the old method of manufacture of cars. You'd order your new Rolls-Royce and it would leave Crewe as a rolling chassis with and engine and radiator grille up front, and four wheels with steering, brakes and drivetrain all working. Then it would be driven to the coachbuilder to make it look like whatever you wanted it to look like. Interstingly my neighbour worked for Carmichaels, the fire truck builders, as a driver, he'd regularly park up a rolling chassis outside our house, and get out of the "cab" which was just a seat with a bit of open frame, wearing a crash helmet and motorbike leathers for wind protection!! Then he'd drive it down to the factory for coachbuilding.

I know what you mean by anomalies, but the Ford that looks like a Ford may not have one single item on it that is either part of the original, or even made by Ford or a company manufacturing for Ford. At least the chassis is how a VW rolled out of the factory, and the 8 point rule means that at least 3 other components will be from the manufacturer. remember that a Ford only looks like a Ford to someone who knows a but about cars. Without the manufacturer badge on a modern car, I'd have no idea what make of car it was. I wouldnt know a Chevy Blazer was a Chevrolet unless I saw the Chevy badge on it, so that doesnt work too good with identification.

Big Birds Car
25-07-2011, 09:42 AM
I understand what you mean about the shape but a Nova doesn't look anything like a beetle but if doing a body change the description would change but the reg would be retained as the original beetle due to the eight points ruling.
I know it is a difficult one to encompass all the strange and often wonderful things we do to change our cars but the rules where mainly put in place to stop cut and shuts and ringing, where people were getting ripped off but with kit cars and hot rods etc. most people know what they are buying and don't care about how many cars go to make the kit up and the % of hot rods and kit cars in relation to manufacturers cars sold each year is so small I wonder why they even bother. So long as you can prove that the major items of a kit are legally bought then why should anyone care about the registration.
Well as stated this is likely to change again.
As for the chassis number been the all singing and dancing number, my Spitfire has thrown up an anomally that the DVLA are just clarifying and that is that Triumph in their infinate wisdom gave the chassis a number, this was the FRAME build number and is put on an outrigger, the body has another number pop rivitted to the body, this is the bodies build number and then there is another number pop rivetted to the body and this is the COMMISSION number, which is the number that the DVLA have as the chassis or VIN number. This is for all the Triumphs of that era. I am obviously throwing away the body so do I just pop rivet the commission number to the chassis? what happens when the inspector see's two numbers both attached to the chassis, one pop rivetted on and the other stamped in a piece of steel and welded on.

The preliminary answer is to use the frame number as the new chassis number apparently, and forget the commission number, well I also think this is going to mean a new chassis number altogether as the original one is only about 6 or 8 numbers long and they like all VIN numbers to be at least 15 numbers long. I'll find out soon as I'm hoping to get it inspected within the next month or so. :crossfinger:

Peter
25-07-2011, 10:43 AM
It would seem there are different opinions in different DVLA locations around the country and they have changed with time and regs, I agree when I registered my VW / SS in Gloucester it was a case of; drive to an MoT appointment , called DVLA Barnwood to say I was on my way where they checking the chassis VIN to see if it was stolen, check MoT and issued a Q plate, phoned mate in Roaduser who made and deliverd a set of plates and off I went home.
I tried to get an age related number as all VW chassis are date related but there was no way I was going to get a 1966 number.
I was under the impression that if there was NO V5 from the donor car or reg’ number it was no longer possible to get a Q registration without a SVA, even with enough points as you couldn't 'prove' the origen and age of the chassis. It has also been reported on here that dropped floor pans have been declared a major alteration the VW chassis and couldn't be used in the points system, but as I said I stood to be corrected and I was. Why the hell can't they just say it as it is instead of that entire load of gobbledegook, linked sites and contradictions?

Making up a relevent VIN can be done using the information available and this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Id ... of_the_VIN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number#Components_of_the_VI N)

JemP
25-07-2011, 11:49 AM
Yes, dropped pans could indeed mean the chassis is no longer the original chassis, therefore no longer can retain its original identity. Still a grey area, and not sure what ACE say now. Of course, this problem only arises with cars of over 30 years old now, and as BBC says, its such a small number, why not just create an exception?
Roaduser! I havent heard their name mentioned for so long! George Irvine's company, ex Halfords, set up to give Halfords a run for their money! I last met George at a Roaduser training session at Gloucester City's new football ground, George was chairman of the club at the time and more interested in the football ground than how to wire up towing sockets :) Can't really blame him :)

Peter
26-07-2011, 01:04 PM
JemP said, "I last met George at a Roaduser training session at Gloucester City's new football ground, George was chairman of the club at the time and more interested in the football ground than how to wire up towing sockets Can't really blame him".

That's because I did it. from 1990 to 1999 my company, Car Accessory Fitters, did the customer's installation of most alarms, tow bars and stereos by branch manager's referral as well Hanford’s (until they caught on to the idea they could be making MY money themselves). IN fact C.A.F. was the installer of choice for retail outlets and in-car retailers for over 8 years in the south west midlands area as well refitting out new RAC vans, then the bubble bust and All car makers were fitting CAT 2 as standard and RDS, 40x40 stereo CD players etc and it almost killed the after market business. So I retired and moved to Spain in 1999.

Back to the topic. The problem I see is that if you have a perfectly standard VW chassis but no paperwork how do you go about the age thing? You can't, so you need a Q plate, I know from personal horrors that the VIN is not accepted by DVLA as proof of age despite it is embedded in the coding and how do DVLA know if the components on the chassis are VW (most of mine are not including the type II engine and 1303 gearbox and '69 rear axles) and of that chassis, you are only allowed one re-con part as I read it. So many grey areas, surely the body must come under some scrutiny though, after all from what has been said one could in fact glue together a home made plywood and alloy body of sorts and plonk it on a VW chassis or even just bolt a seat on it and a seat belt and get a Q plate, needs sorting out, in OUR favour!

JemP
26-07-2011, 05:31 PM
I believe that you can get proof of age from the Historic Volkswagen Club, which is approved by the DVLA, together with V765.

You can shove anything on a chassis, a bed, a beach buggy, a nova - so long as the chassis is original. You can do exactly the same with a monocoque vehicle too, so long as the monocoque construction is not altered, so you can stick a bunch of body panels onto an old MR2 and make it look like a Ferrari, yet its still an old MR2.

Peter
26-07-2011, 06:37 PM
I believe that you can get proof of age from the Historic Volkswagen Club, which is approved by the DVLA, together with V765.

You can shove anything on a chassis, a bed, a beach buggy, a nova - so long as the chassis is original. You can do exactly the same with a monocoque vehicle too, so long as the monocoque construction is not altered, so you can stick a bunch of body panels onto an old MR2 and make it look like a Ferrari, yet its still an old MR2.

Tried that, didn't work, still got a Q plate, been trying since 1995 to get it reversed for obvious reasons.
Here we can get a H plate but it very protracted and very expensive which is a shame as I have 2 (potentialy 3) cars of age (25 here) in the next 6 months, a 1987 BMW E30, a 1987 Mercedes Cosworth and of course a 1966 VW/Eagle. They say the government is keen to preseve older cars of historic importance but they don't make it easy.

JemP
26-07-2011, 07:33 PM
That's probably because even the DVLA don't know their own rules, or when they are changed. Possibly the most hopeless government funded organisation in the country! The only organisation I know who are ALWAYS right, never lose documentation, and are above the law! But that's another story!

Big Birds Car
28-07-2011, 10:20 AM
Peter, Go to the ACE site and ask them there if they can help you get the Q reversed, they are dealing with the DVLA on behalf of hot rodders and kit car builders and one of their points is keeping the cars on the road with the identity that they should have, they are certainly one of, if not the, most informed group who are actually trying to keep our hobby alive. Take their advise and see how you go from there.

Currently over here a Q plate is a bit of a get out of jail free card, you will never get free road fund tax with one but when it comes to a vehicle check it won't really matter that the chassis has been altered or the suspension etc. however it would appear to be an issue in Spain and possibly having an age related plate from the UK will help you out there (maybe not from what some of my friends have to do to drive their uk registered cars, even a 67 el camino), but worth a try.

JemP
28-07-2011, 10:58 AM
Totally agree, ACE are teaching the DVLA a lot, about the reality of what people do with cars, and how a lot of whats done is compliant.

Peter
28-07-2011, 11:15 AM
I'll give it look.
We are having a LOT of none Spanish cars conviscated due to not having current tax, MoT and thereby insurance as the EU law now says ALL EU cars must be road legal in the country of registration and UK MUST have UK insurance, not local, lot of people been driving about without tax and MoT, "Not in the UK so it doesn't matter", must have spoken to the wrong guy in the pub again. Using their FESA system, bit like the UK, they can check ALL EU cars. BB

Big Birds Car
29-07-2011, 01:54 PM
I know of someone who had their old 911 confiscated on the Costa Blanca due to no tax. He answered an ad in the local English paper to get an MOT. Six weeks later he went back with MOT, Tax and insurance and they let him have the car back without issue. The Spanish don't care how you get the paperwork so long as you get it and they can then tick their little boxes off to say they have done their bit, however getting all the correct documentation through the post is risky to say the least.
John Dodd, of the Beast fame, was spotted in the UK with the Beast getting it MOT'd so he could take it back to Spain for the year, bit of an expensive trip for him, what with the cost of fuel and the oil changes he needs to make each 3000 miles, but the only way he can legally drive it.

JemP
29-07-2011, 05:11 PM
Blimey! That is one expensive trip for John Dodd! It would be cheaper to send it in the back of a wagon! £1000+ per oil change every 3,000! and then of course there's the petrol costs :)

Peter
30-07-2011, 12:29 PM
Spoken to John several times ref’ my A170; just up the road in Cartama near Malaga, does auto box repairs as well as going on infinitum about the Beast to anyone who will listen and driving it back to UK is so him.
Neighbour has a Honda accord and never been out of Marbella in 7 years but always has a new tax and MoT. Adverts in local paper offering the package too BUT police here now have the same handhelds as UK police and it had better be genuine. :offtopic:
Anyway, back to topic.
From the above half the SSs would need a test as they have an Eagle (?) chassis then.