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supernova2
18-08-2012, 10:25 AM
This is a quote from classic car wheekly wednesday 15 august 2012 new eu mot the move will mean classics wont be roadworthy if they,er modified from standard.
copy right stops me from printing all the info from the mag so this is it as i read it . it will apply to cars up to 30 years old
will take 10 years to set up (longer if we fight it.) if you have changed the engine? brakes steering or suspension it is nolonger a classic (the goverment have now found a loop hole to stop historic tax free cars.
I would like to say that i do not know if this will efected kit cars as their are no fixed standards for them to work to. as it says
IT A KIT CAR made from many bit,s lets see the eu sort that out .our goverment should be sorting out the country not kiss
a????? the eu.( rant over )

Mostin
18-08-2012, 07:31 PM
Hi all.

I bet if you looked at most of the classic cars around you'd fine most have had something changed from the standard spec. As always euro divs messing up peoples fun.....

As for what they will do with Kit cars & their so called rules I dread to think............... :scared:

Cheers.
Mostin.

Alzax3
18-08-2012, 07:54 PM
The plus-point is that at the moment it only concerns cars under 30 years old....... Our government is also talking about not having MOTs for pre-60s vehicles which is equally STUPID! :@ :@ :@ :@ :whistling:

Big Birds Car
18-08-2012, 10:08 PM
Alex, the no mot's for pre 1960 cars comes into force this November, it is all done and dusted.

As for government closing a loop hole for historic tax cars, that is rubbish as to be historic taxation the car has to be pre 73 so already more than 30 years old, however it will impact on people able to play with cars as we are used to at the moment and that needs to be addressed but like the introduction of the SVA (now BIVA) if people had complained as one instead of individual clubs it may not have been introduced, it certainly has reduced the amount of kits available and the amount of kits built or cars greatly modified, so it looks likely that whatever the eu want to inflict on us they will get their way and we will comply as good little soldiers.

The modifying of cars is now getting so restricted it is beyond a joke and it won't get any easier trust me.

Mostin
19-08-2012, 08:34 AM
Hi all.

I was out last night with one of the lads who works for VOSA.

We were talking about this & as Big Birds Car said it's all done & dusted so you won't need an MOT for you pre 1960's car but my VOSA mans view is who will insure an old car with no form of rubber stamped inspection (MOT)?

Again in his words. That will leave you 2 options to keep the insurance company happy: 1 Keep paying for an MOT you don't need. 2 The insurance company will require an annual engineers report.

Cheers.
Mostin.

Peter
20-08-2012, 10:34 AM
It really is getting to be a mess as with most vehicle rules/tests from the EU, many of which conflict with local regs, there are so many anomalies in regs these days no one, including the officials, know what is what any more and it changes with the wind. As to 'what constitutes what', it is a minefield.
Take my SS, it has a 1966 chassis and running gear, so is it a '66? No, because it was registered in 1995 on a Q but in Spain they go by the VIN so it's a '66, but it isn't because it is a '95 on paper, :confused1: took some sorting out that one, for some unknown reason my BMW E30 classic is a 1987 pre-face lift but registered as a 1995 which caused some problems in the garage when it came to sourcing parts for the accident and when I want to re-register it as a hisoric vehicle over 25 years old this September, it is going to be a problem too. It is a cluster F**k! :@

Combined with dealers reluctance to have anything to do with vehicles over ten years old, (should have heard the comments at the local Opel dealer when I wanted parts for my wife’s 1995 Corsa Sport), and parts availability for older cars in the hands of specialist firms like GSF who can charge what they like for them it will get down to everyone driving a car under ten years old that complies with the latest omission regs and that's it.

Big Birds Car
21-08-2012, 09:57 PM
Further to this topic it would seem that there is a great deal of issues about to befall the modified car world if a new eu directive goes ahead, not just that the car has to be standard but that it will also fail if it doesn't have original manufacturers parts as well, for example a pattern exhaust would be a fail, wrong size of tyres fitted from standard, wheels etc. etc.
At the moment the ACE organisation are preparing a statement of sorts to inform people of what the new directive will do and the speed at which it will come into effect.
I will post a link in a new post as and when I know that the information has been processed and is available. This will impact ALL aspects of the modified and classic car world and I would advise that if you are on other forums that are car related that you inform them to go take a look at the ACE site when it is sorted.
If you don't act now then regret the results later on.

Peter
22-08-2012, 02:06 PM
Here in Spain it is already no longer allowed to fit body kits, different wheels and tyres from those in the log book or change the exhaust without going through a homogenisation test, cost 1.200€. My step son has a BMW 525 TDs diesel which outwardly looks like an M5 but he has to strip all the bumpers, skirts, mirrors and wheels off every year, pass the test as a 525 TDs and then change it all back again, STUPID LAWS!

Mostin
22-08-2012, 04:04 PM
Hi all.

Well if things get as daft as the EU rule makers are making it I'll start looking for a beetle body & engine etc so i can get my car throw its test then start rebuilding the Nova for the next year leaving just enough time to change it back into a beetle so i can MOT the following year :giveup:

Cheers.
Mostin.

Peter
23-08-2012, 12:09 PM
What about 'ringing' a std beetle and a Nova with the same ID, test the beetle and drive the Nova? oopps, VERY illegal. :blushing:

Alzax3
23-08-2012, 05:55 PM
That was of course a completely hypothetical musing, wasn't it Peter? :whistling: :wink: