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Spacenut
10-11-2013, 09:37 PM
Hi guys - it's been ages since I provided an update on the Green Machine, but I have been getting all oily today fettling my new 1.2 Ti gearbox, which I bought from one of my colleagues over on Alfa Owner a couple of years ago.

Since receiving the gearbox I have cleaned up the castings with dilute hydrochloric acid, etch-primed the surfaces and painted with a proprietary wheel paint the same colour as gold anodising (the actual colour is Rays Racing Bronze, it is used on Scooby wheels apparently), before having the whole gearbox clearcoated and cured in a low-bake oven.

I have also obtained an Alfa 145 cast alloy sump from my friend Graham to replace the pressed steel item used on the Alfasud. This has cast cooling fins and is heavily profiled so that it conforms very closely around the differential crownwheel, which prevents excessive power loss through oil churning. Graham suggested I run the sump without a gasket to prevent "squirming" under load, as the Alfatune engine destined for the Green Machine will probably be putting out rather more torques than my current 1.5 Ti unit!

So I needed to check the clearance around the gears with the 145 sump dry fitted. I stood the 'box on end so I could undo all the sump bolts, and slit along the gasket line with a Stanley knife to make sure that no paint peeled off the casting, which it didn't. I removed the old gasket and the internal cross-brace (which can't be used with the cast sump), and made some measurements. The only possible problem with clearance I found is around the differential itself - the crownwheel is slightly proud of the casing, so is below the gasket line. Fortunately, this coincides with the deepest rebate in the sump casting, which extends around 3-4 mm below the mounting plane. I offered up the sump and secured it with two of the set screws. Here's what it looks like...

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5281_zpse668719d.jpg

Bottom view...

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Right side view...

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5282_zps3df5f503.jpg

Left side view...

I think you will agree it is a thing of consummate beauty!

With the sump plate in place I selected each gear and while holding one drive flange steady rotated the other to make sure the crown wheel and other gears were in motion. There was no evidence of scraping sounds while the gears rotated, and after removing the sump I could find no evidence of witness marks anywhere on the casting.

However, as I was cleaning up the oily mess on the pallet, I noticed this roll pin...

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5285_zps6b1c21db.jpg

It's 15mm long. The sides of the pin have evidence of scoring, so it has clearly been used. My guess is that it is one of the old pins that was replaced during the rework at BLS and wasn't noticed before the sump was sealed. So I had a good close look at the gears...

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5283_zps04f0170b.jpg

I've been counting up the roll pins in an Alfa gearbox and there appear to be 6 in total - four pinning the selector levers (two of them visible in this picture) and two holding a bush onto the main input shaft. Loss of any of them would result in failure to select gears or drive, all of which check out fine. According to Kev the gearbox only did 100 miles before he got fed up with the high revs and swapped it for a Green Cloverleaf unit. I rotated all of the gears to check for damage or missing teeth, and they all look fine, so it looks like the loose roll pin must have stayed in the sump throughout. How lucky is that?

Lauren

edmorton
10-11-2013, 10:43 PM
Alfa bits are just inherently prettier than anything out of a Ford Focus.....!

Gaisa
11-11-2013, 12:21 AM
I gather that fits well with your custom chassis etc, how well would that fit in relation to the bug chassis?

come to think of it, were there any plans available to build a tube chassis for a nova? or would I have to ask the US NovaRX guys for the specs?

Spacenut
11-11-2013, 09:15 PM
Without machining the casing to enable you to flip the differential, you wouldn't want to put this on a Bug chassis because you would have 1 forward gear and 5 reverse gears. The Alfa transaxle is also quite fragile, remember Hewland started off using the VW case with their own internals - much more robust!

The 1.2 Ti has the shortest gear ratios of any gearbox in the Alfasud range, as it was designed to provide good acceleration in a sporty derivative (Ti stands for Tourismo Internazionale), but with only a 1200cc engine with 65 bhp. Its previous owner got so fed up with the engine revving away in his Alfasud that he swapped his box for a later Green Cloverleaf unit, which has more sensible ratios. However, with my 15" wheels and tall profile tyres, the 1.2 Ti ratios give me gearing virtually identical to a Green Cloverleaf with 13" wheels, so for me, its the one to have!

Unfortunately the 1.2 Ti is also prized by racers, who treat them mercilessly, stripping the cogs and then thowing them away. They are getting rare now.

Sterling Sports Cars are the only company currently offering a tubular frame chassis for the Nova. It's unlikely that you would be able to buy the plans. We think that Sam Cobley made three tube frame chassis in the mid-90s, but to my knowledge none was built up into a running vehicle. The factory demonstrator Mk4 bodyshell (no chassis) was rescued by Alex from the scrapyard, and is now part of his extensive mould mountain. One chassis is with a Nova club member, and another turns up on ebay from time to time, most recently with an Alfa V6 powerplant, but still a non-runner. The chassis for the Green Machine was my own design, and although I am quite happy with it being my first attempt, has some features which I would not duplicate again.

Lauren

Gaisa
12-11-2013, 12:10 AM
considering the price bracket for a Sterling NOVA RX I will have to leave that option in the same fantasy land as winning the lottery... now, if I did win the lottery, I would definitely consider getting a custom RX built and imported ~dreams~

As for the rest... oh well.

CyCo
12-11-2013, 02:07 AM
So you had to try and one up me, didn't you. :bleh: lol

As for a space frame chassis, you'd probably be better off to get your own designed and built there rather than import the one from the US. Here in Oz, there are features in that RX chassis which wouldn't pass our engineering regulations (namely rose joints & multiple part suspension arms), so you'd be better getting one designed for use in the UK rather than US. Also, some of us here in Oz tend to think that the RX chassis design needs more work, with some thinking it lacks torsional strength, I think it was along the diagonal across the chassis.

Spacenut
21-11-2013, 08:48 PM
So yesterday the rain stopped play, so I used the time to finish off the warning light wiring on the instrument panel, and bolted down all the Cannon connectors that I am using to interface into and out of the system. I've been looking in more detail at the Denso alternator that came with the Alfatune engine, and the sense wire is used to set the voltage reference point in the circuit, so instead of the regulator producing 13.8V at the output pin of the alternator, if I put the sense wire up at the main fusebox, the regulator will ensure that 13.8V is present at the fusebox rather than the alternator, effectively overcoming any voltage drop in the harness. Cool huh?

Anyway, today the rain held off, so it was back to the gearbox. When we left the action on Tuesday evening the engine was out but the old gearbox was still in the chassis. Today I removed the old 'box and behold! An empty space...

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5295_zpsc86ac3a2.jpg

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I wrapped the chassis rails in cardboard so that the gearbox wouldn't damage the paint as it dropped out of the mountings (I drained the oil out before I released the fixtures - the oil didn't actually look too bad).

With the old gearbox finally free I was able to remove the gear selector lever, and while I was at it I swapped over the reversing light switch and the magnetic drain plug for the blank filler plug on the new gearbox.

I stood the new box on its end and removed the sump pan, hopefully for the last time, had a final look around, cleaned all of the oil off the mating surface (ditto on the 145 sump), applied the sealant and waited for it to skin over before offering it up. Bolts fitted, progressively torqued to 10 lb/ft.

I ran a tap through the fixture holes for the rear mounting bushes, cleaned them up and fitted them, together with the centre mount.

I'm rambling - here is the result...



http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5303_zps48bce2e9.jpg

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I think it looks terrific. But there's more...



http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5300_zpsf63f6544.jpg (http://s574.photobucket.com/user/Spacenut_photos/media/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5300_zpsf63f6544.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5300_zpsf63f6544.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL)



http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5299_zpsa7e22738.jpg (http://s574.photobucket.com/user/Spacenut_photos/media/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5299_zpsa7e22738.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5299_zpsa7e22738.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL)

I wanted to show that there is clearance between the sump and the chassis...

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5298_zps011b446f.jpg



Not entirely obvious, I know, but I was able to slide the cardboard protection off quite easily. If anything there is probably more running clearance around the cast sump then there was with the pressed steel one!


http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5305_zpsdcbf845a.jpg

Another out-of-focus image, but you can see how the fins sit nicely between the two chassis crossmembers.


http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5306_zpsfdd0fe59.jpg

As I've mentioned before, the gearbox is the first thing people see when I open up the louvre. The colour might not be everyone's cup of tea, but you have to admit it does look good!

More news as it happens...

Lauren

Neil
22-11-2013, 12:06 AM
I'm awestruck

islandman
22-11-2013, 12:50 AM
It seems kind of strange seeing the shots from inside the driver compartment with an open skeletal chassis and the concrete beneath it :scared:. Do you know how much the green machine weighs versus a VW chassis Nova, is there a big difference?

Also in some shots (maybe the angle) the ground clearance looks really quite limited :ermm:

Overall though it does look awesome, and hopefully being an alloy gearbox casing the paint finish lasts for a long time to keep the nice contrast between it and the black chassis rails - great job :party:

CyCo
22-11-2013, 01:49 AM
Bloody awesome.

:cheers:

Peter
22-11-2013, 11:47 AM
That is a fair amount of impressive girder work, haven't seen you naked before, so well impressed, sorry, haven't seen your car naked before.:twisted:

jimcub
22-11-2013, 05:41 PM
A very pretty sight for all your hard work, you might feel like should I actually take it out of the garage incase it gets dirty.

Spacenut
22-11-2013, 06:20 PM
It seems kind of strange seeing the shots from inside the driver compartment with an open skeletal chassis and the concrete beneath it :scared:.

Hi Dave - yes, it's one of the reasons why I took the snaps with the engine and gearbox removed - somehow the frame looks more delicate when there is empty space in between!

There is a bolted-in engine crossmember (not shown here) which ties the forward part of the engine bay together and acts as the engine front mounting, so the gaping hole in the middle is not actually as large as it appears here!


Do you know how much the green machine weighs versus a VW chassis Nova, is there a big difference?

Not a big difference, but the Green Machine is heavier than the quoted weight of a VW based Nova. If you believe the hype (I'm not sure I do), the Green Machine is a whopping 80kg heavier than the weight quoted by the Elams. But I do have a frame that gives side intrusion protection, is torsionally stiffer than a VW pan and has a braced FIA-spec roll-over hoop, so I'm not too unhappy. When we corner-weight measured the car with all fluids and reserve fuel (10 litres), it still tipped the scales at a relatively svelte (by modern car standards) 830 kg...


Also in some shots (maybe the angle) the ground clearance looks really quite limited :ermm:

My minimum ground clearance is under the front undertray, which is 4". Around the back the clearance to the exhaust is about 5", not too bad, but obviously I negotiate speed humps gingerly!

Lauren

steve
23-11-2013, 07:17 PM
Good to see some shiny bits bolted in; great work!

islandman
24-11-2013, 07:13 AM
Just relooked at the photos and noticed what looks like an aluminum plate riveted to one of the rear chassis horizontals bars above the gearbox, presumably a chassis number. That got me thinking, what is the green machine registered as on the V5?

Spacenut
01-02-2014, 06:59 PM
Took a few more snaps today. After a bit of soul-searching I realised that my Alfatune engine will need some further modifications before I can fit it into the car, so reluctantly decided to put the old engine back in. My intention is to sort out the Alfatune and then swap the engines over, so I need to make sure certain performance items fit properly - hence the 45mm Dellortos with velocity stacks and ITG foam filters trial-fitted!

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5335_zpsdf9ab50c.jpg

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5338_zps1d0f0922.jpg

You can see that I will need to modify my rear window/parcel shelf to provide adequate clearance around these babys. The plan is for more glazing, at a more acute angle, so passers-by can get more of an eyeful :cool1:

In fact, if I can integrate a plenum chamber in the structure, I should be able to route the cold air from the shoulder intakes in at the sides, and have the option of taking the ITG filters off so the ram pipes show through the window. That would look quite cool...

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5339_zpsa1a62b2c.jpg

You probably can't see much difference, but while I had the back wheels off re-fitting the exhaust I put a stack of washers between the hub and the wheel to increase the track. What you see there is equivalent to a 7mm wheel spacer. There is still room for more offset, I think I should be able to run wheels with zero offset and still clear the wheelarch return at full bump (current wheels are ET15).

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5340_zps82b7fd4a.jpg

Once the alternator is in place and the associated breather pipes etc., you won't see any of the engine block up-front.

More progress as it happens...

Lauren

islandman
02-02-2014, 01:09 AM
With those new carbs and only sponge filters you will need extra ear plugs as well as your headset when running at full click.....pardon what did you say!

Also I see you have left off the protective plastic covers from the cam belts, any reason ?

If the new glazing works as planned it will look very cool!

Spacenut
02-02-2014, 06:16 PM
Thanks Dave - I will use thicker polycarbonate for the window which might help a bit. I did think about double glazing (it was considered by Lamborghini for the Miura too), but I've only got 4 cylinders and 1600cc - how noisy can it be?

I said, how noisy can it be?

:D

As for the cambelt covers, you can see how the engine sits in the chassis - they were intended to prevent stones and stuff flying in, but even the Alfasud boys don't bother with them. The first Alfasuds didn't use them either, and it saves weight as well as making cam timing checks less of a palaver!

However, that said I'm not sure I would offer the same advice for a rear-engined car such as yours!

Some more piccies...

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Facet Red-Top (with optional vibration dampers) in place...

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5342_zps83d6b472.jpg

Fuel inlet is at the bottom port, outlet is at the top. The base of the pump has a bayonet fitting allowing access to the fuel filter. This is how I will gain access to it for servicing...

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/Spacenut_photos/Engine%20and%20Gearbox%20Upgrade%202013/IMG_5343_zpsef15f614.jpg

View from the top, between the passenger compartment bulkhead and the fuel tank on the right. Exactly the same place (more or less) as the Miura. It's only a small item, but relocating the pump from the engine compartment shifts a tiny bit of weight forwards, de-clutters the engine bay and reduces the length of the wiring harness. All good things!

Lauren

letterman7
04-02-2014, 02:22 AM
:kewlpics: It's been a while since I've been on the forum.. good to see the car coming back together. Lauren! I can't recall seeing the sub-structure of the chassis before.. I'm impressed! The transaxle looks fabulous. It's a shame that they are getting rarer - I reckon it would be nice to score one for a spare at some point in time.

Peter
04-02-2014, 11:48 AM
:kewlpics: It's been a while since I've been on the forum.. .

And while you are here, the Stirling site has gone down, Server not found. :bleh:

Spacenut
04-02-2014, 10:22 PM
The transaxle looks fabulous. It's a shame that they are getting rarer - I reckon it would be nice to score one for a spare at some point in time.

Hi Rick! It's a funny thing really, but the serious Alfasud racers would all use adapted VW gearboxes if the regulations allowed them to; the Alfasud transaxle is notoriously fragile when you start putting serious power through it - the input shaft is particularly dainty, and instead of using my finned Alfa 145 sump they use an inch-thick dowelled baseplate!

How serious is serious? Well, we are talking in excess of 200 bhp, so I've a little ways to go yet!

The Alfatune is probably only good for around 150-160 bhp, once I can sort out the cambelt clearance issue...

Lauren