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    Log book changes - how far to go ?

    Hi all,

    As you probably all know Nena has been on the road for a little over a year now, and successfully passed two MOts with the current log book stating body type Saloon, Model: Beetle.

    I have slowly updated the logbook - one submission at a time, so she is now correctly identified as Blue, Engine Size 1641, and number of seats 2.

    Do I risk trying to change body type to Coupe, or even utilize the variant/version boxes below Beetle to add Nova ?

    Or would you leave it alone ?

    Any ideas gratefully received,
    All the best,

    Jim

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    Re: Log book changes - how far to go ?

    I'd like to know the out come as well. On the first MOT the inspector did ask why it still said saloon. I told him I sent the paper work away with all the changes and that is how it came back. Colour, engine size, seats all correct. He did add NOVA to the only screen entry box he could and said that it would print on the MOT, but it didn't.

    So for now I'll just keep quiet and rack up a few more MOT's unless good news is around the corner.

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    Re: Log book changes - how far to go ?

    I have said it before and will again if you get the chance then get it correctly registered as things will only get more and more problematic as time goes by. Years ago it didn't matter now it has become an issue and costs money usually.
    I can't give specific pointers on this but Alex maybe a good source as I believe he changed his in recent years.
    If I buy another kit car of any type it will be one correctly registered as the aggro getting cars through IVA (as it is now) or even having the DVLA "check" the car over (as I had with a previous kit that they pulled the registration from) is too much worry, especially if you have spent a fair bit of money on the build up.

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    I had mine changed to Nova after a worrying visit to the Truro DVLA office a couple of years back - But the MOTers still can't input that into their computer checkbox..... so it still has to be a Beetle at MOT time despite what it says on the logbook Crazy or what?
    It's a 50 year old car and everything works, just not always at the same time.......and it's probably about to get jealous!
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    Re: Log book changes - how far to go ?

    Well just to go a bit further on this bear with me as I will write exactly what I got from Adrian Flux Insurers with regards my Chevy Suburban recently, note that this vehicle has been in the country since about 6 months after been bought by an English bloke brand new in the states and brought over in 1997 and I have owned it and insured it with Flux for the last 5/6 years.

    "Due to the introduction of the M.I.D. (motor insurance database), it has now become necessary for all insurance companies to provide full details of all motor insurance policies to this database. This is in order for the policy to detect fraudulent drivers.
    In order for this to work properly and efficiently all insurance companies have had to check all the vehicle details on their files against those stored at central DVLA.
    After checking these details an invalid response has come back against your vehicle registration mark or that it is not a match to the vehicle on the insurance policy"

    It then gives my vehicle details that they have on file. The difference between what they have on file and what the V5C states is they have Chevrolet Suburban, engine size 7400 year of manufacture 1/1/1997, the difference is that the V5C states year of manufacture declared 1997, first registered 20/05/1997 and make Chevrolet Estate 7400


    Make of it what you wish but to my mind the powers that be are trying very hard to close any loopholes in registrations etc. and will eventually whittle all of them out of the system and if you are not correctly registered I wouldn't mind betting you will end up with a possible £500 fee for an IVA test and a lot of work to get your pride and joy through it.
    I have no doubt that you could get a Nova through the test but it would entail a lot of mods that you would then want to convert back again once you had the test passed (Just like the Jester) For instance you would definately need wing mirrors that would need to be on stalks (Honda C90 work well for Sylva's and the Locost builders) Removal of the canopy, radiusing of the front leading edge of the body plus all the interior bodywork, padded steering wheel, collapsable steering column, lift the front end for headlight alignment, add rear fog warning, seatbelts at a pre determined height off of the seat base and various other bits and pieces.

    I have had to photo copy my V5C and send it to Flux so they can decide on what needs changing and by who and this is on a none modified vehicle, if you have told the insurance company you have a Nova and they check and it comes back as a beetle then you will end up in the same position and have to try to justify what is what and cross your fingers.
    Good Luck to you all.

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    Hmm - very interesting BBC. I have had a similar experience, for what I believe to be different reasons. To the best of my knowledge the Green Machine was registered as a "Nova 1500 - 2-axle rigid body sports" around the time of its construction, around the late 70s - early 80s. It retained its 69 "G" plates because that was the policy at the time - the "Q" prefix did not come into force until '85 or thereabouts.

    I had a go at renewing my tax disc online last year, but when I entered the vehicle details as requested the response was to chuck me out with no explanation. I wondered at the time if the new computer MoT had had a problem (it was my first computer MoT), but now I'm not so sure - perhaps in some obscure corner of the DVLA database my car is still recorded as a VW Beetle?

    I used the DVLA archive search facility to obtain the details of previous keepers of my Barracuda a few years ago, and all of the documentation I got back was second-generation photocopies of the original paper logbooks, so there was clearly no database in use it that time. I keep meaning to do a similar exercise for the Nova, but DVLA seem to be rather busy keeping up with all the draconian regulations coming into force

    Personally I don't think it is right to expect a 40 year old design to pass a modern test, so I'm hiding behind my classic status and hoping I'll get a few more years use out of the car before I have to give up and start walking (I've told you before I am NOT buying a modern car. EVER. So the Government and the SMMT can take their £2000 scrap-a-car-and-buy-a-new-one incentive and... do something unmentionable with it!)

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    Re: Log book changes - how far to go ?

    Personally I don't think it is right to expect a 40 year old design to pass a modern test, so I'm hiding behind my classic status and hoping I'll get a few more years use out of the car before I have to give up and start walking
    I don't think you will ever have to do that if your Nova is stated on a current V5C as just that a "NOVA" but if it states beetle or saloon I do forsee problems ahead so my advise would be get all documentation right and get any evidence you can to prove that it was like that years ago.

    Oh this is from someone who has just been penalised for not declaring one of my cars as SORN as I didn't get the reminder and so didn't realise. Two others arrived at the time the third one should have done and I duelly declared SORN on line for them, then out the blue I get a fine for not doing a SORN on the third vehicle, my fault apparently and the fact that I have nothing to gain by not declaring and that the other two were done straight away is of no consequence and you can't use the postoffice failure to deliver or the DVLA mixup as a defence and so the THEIVING b%st%rds now have £40 towards paying off the trillions of pounds they have just borrowed, so please be aware that I am single handedly trying to get this country back on it's feet.

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    Re: Log book changes - how far to go ?

    I guess that is one of the downsides of having a car menagerie

    I must admit I had quite a collection of log books and my Honda C90 custom (what do you get if you cross a C90 with an SS50 Sport, a Puch M50 Sport and a Suzuki GS250 ) when the Government started to threaten VED on all vehicles in your possesion, irrespective of whether they were roadworthy or not. So I scrapped them all...

    I agree that I should be OK with a log book that does not state "VW" or "Beetle" anywhere, but it still does not explain why I continue to have a problem with the DVLA recognising anything other than a SORN application. Its almost as if their database is looking for a match against a known vehicle make and model - when I put in Make = Nova, Model = 1500, as shown in the logbook - no dice.

    I'm sure they're out to get us all in the end, but I'm serious about not buying a new car. I'll just have to bring forward plans for "Project 72V LIPO power KMX Kart"...

    Lauren
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    Re: Log book changes - how far to go ?

    When I bought the chassis that my Nova currently sits on I sent the V5 off for a change of address and at the same time changed: Colour, engine number, 4 seats to 2 and Saloon to Coupe. It all came back changed, with no queries, and has passed the MOT as such.

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    Re: Log book changes - how far to go ?

    I've just figured it out - DVLA now have a database that cross-checks your insurance details with their vehicle records. Flux seem to insist on calling my car a "Volkswagen Nova" even though they aknowledge that there is no VW base for the car. I was very insistent on this, and refused to drive on their insurance until they confirmed (in writing) that accepted all of the modifications I had done. Their explanation was that the insurance underwriters recognise a "Volkswagen Nova" as the kit car that we all know and love.

    Anyway, this is the root of my problem with the DVLA - their records (and my log book) say "Nova 1500", while my insurance entry says "Volkswagen Nova", and because of the discrepancy I can't do anything online except declare SORN.

    I was wondering what was up!

    Lauren
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